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It's not harmonies or chanting. Unfortunately I'm too musically illiterate to describe what exactly I mean. There's something in the sound that I associate with Queen, but maybe it's just something generally 80s. Something Muse has started employing from The Resistance on.

 

I mean, it's generally very theatrical and melodramatic in delivery, that's very Queen. Matt's also singing in a gaspy, feverish yet clean style that isn't too far from some of Freddie's work. The resemblances have been in place for a long time, it's just that they've been much more overt in the past.

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Matt's conspiracy-era stuff got him pretty close to Alex Jones. It's a reputation that has never really gone away.

 

Thanks. I was expecting more than a young man's conspiracy phase but okay.

 

I'm interested that the 'bitten by' parts seem to be so popular. I think that part is what turned me off the most. It's so repetitive and such an annoying lyric.

 

I'm loving it, especially the piano part. The first time I heard it I had one of these "yeah that's Muse!!!" moments which I never had since the return of the falsetto in Survival in 2012.

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Thanks. I was expecting more than a young man's conspiracy phase but okay.

 

 

 

I'm loving it, especially the piano part. The first time I heard it I had one of these "yeah that's Muse!!!" moments which I never had since the return of the falsetto in Survival in 2012.

 

Another thing is that it's the first airplay single in years not to feature Queen influences at all.

Or George Micheal's, if you allow me. :LOL:

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Another thing is that it's the first airplay single in years not to feature Queen influences at all.

Or George Micheal's, if you allow me. :LOL:

 

You're right. As Tjet and other people have said, I also felt that the song was rather original, especially since Muse has served us a lot of uninspired stuff since T2L (included). Here I might not be completely sure about some bits, but I'm okay with that because the song sounds more original to me than self-plagarism, rip-offs or pointless attempts at various genres. I feel that they had something to say musically, and not that they just put out another song because it's their job and they gotta eat.

 

Maybe I'm just not picking up the obvious "references" like I did for Queen or U2, but I think chants are common enough to not be seen as a rip-off or "tribute".

 

And I'm feeling this strange Musey atmosphere of the years 2003-2005 in this song. It kind of reminds me of Dracula Mountain with a crazy circus/rollercoaster vibe. I know it sounds like bullshit but I swear it's true. :LOL:

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You're right. As Tjet and other people have said, I also felt that the song was rather original, especially since Muse has served us a lot of uninspired stuff since T2L (included). Here I might not be completely sure about some bits, but I'm okay with that because the song sounds more original to me than self-plagarism, rip-offs or pointless attempts at various genres. I feel that they had something to say musically, and not that they just put out another song because it's their job and they gotta eat.

 

Maybe I'm just not picking up the obvious "references" like I did for Queen or U2, but I think chants are common enough to not be seen as a rip-off or "tribute".

 

And I'm feeling this strange Musey atmosphere of the years 2003-2005 in this song. It kind of reminds me of Dracula Mountain with a crazy circus/rollercoaster vibe. I know it sounds like bullshit but I swear it's true. :LOL:

 

I’m feeling that too. There’s a few points in that remind me of TiRO and SFA, stuff like that. Just a spooky vibe with the synths. Also the “you’ve been bitten by” parts remind me of Apocalypse Now kinda, and the delivery of the line itself does scream Absolution to me

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You're right. As Tjet and other people have said, I also felt that the song was rather original, especially since Muse has served us a lot of uninspired stuff since T2L (included). Here I might not be completely sure about some bits, but I'm okay with that because the song sounds more original to me than self-plagarism, rip-offs or pointless attempts at various genres. I feel that they had something to say musically, and not that they just put out another song because it's their job and they gotta eat.

 

Maybe I'm just not picking up the obvious "references" like I did for Queen or U2, but I think chants are common enough to not be seen as a rip-off or "tribute".

 

And I'm feeling this strange Musey atmosphere of the years 2003-2005 in this song. It kind of reminds me of Dracula Mountain with a crazy circus/rollercoaster vibe. I know it sounds like bullshit but I swear it's true. :LOL:

 

No, you aren't telling bullshit, trust me! I don't know the others, but I feel that "something" from that era, too. And that's why I just f**king like it so much, even if it's not so great regarding how they underdevelopped the ideas scattered within it and the strange, too short structure of some parts (the solo, mainly).

 

I might look blasphemous in saying it, but by listening to it I partly feel what I felt the first times I heard songs of that period: that powerful, grotesque, creepy but still dramatic vibe that makes songs like Micro Cuts, New Born, Uno, Muscle Museum or Hysteria so special and... well, recognizable as Muse property. If they ever decide to go down the route of exploring and developping the new ideas featured in TC, like the hip-hop influences blended with their best trademarks, into something creative and original, I'm positive they may finally make an album of the same quality as Origin, or even better.

 

Good Lord, why the heck I feel so optimistic? I should be banned from this Board! :LOL: :LOL:

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The video's for DD and TC both flash the words 'Augmented Flex, Out Now'. New album title? Or some weird upcoming augmented reality gimmick?

 

It's not the album title according to Matt/Dom. Maybe just something they wanted to throw in since they said the video was inspired by an episode of Black Mirror where they could go back in time through AR or something like that.

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Thanks. I was expecting more than a young man's conspiracy phase but okay.

 

 

 

I'm loving it, especially the piano part. The first time I heard it I had one of these "yeah that's Muse!!!" moments which I never had since the return of the falsetto in Survival in 2012.

 

I felt dismissive of Matt, and others ', conspiracy theory "phase" too.

Until it was too late, and became apparent there were enough people swayed by those lunatic beliefs to create chaos and actually bring harm to others on a massive scale.

Now it's not so funny.

 

On a different topic, is Matt a werewolf at the end of the video? And why?

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That's really the issue, whatever Matt's intent or knowledge of the situation was.

Matt's gotten in bed with the alt-right before it was mainstream, and he hasn't exactly done much to distance himself from it.

The Globalist was likely just Matt's having read Rushdie, but nationalism has taken a dark turn in the world right now, and "globalist" is up there in the alt-right lexicon with "cuck" and "snowflake." With a very racist and anti-Semitic meaning most of the time.

 

Can I reasonably believe Matt's made the same mistake twice, or am I projecting what I want to believe onto the situation? The song is too damn vague.

 

And the irony of "fake news" has always been that the right propagated most of it (or Russian propaganda, if you want) but is the same team crying out that mainstream news is "fake" so the "false beliefs" line in the song easily fits with the interpretation of being sung from EITHER side, but the "fake news" phrase has mainly been adopted by the far right.

 

I feel you're looking too far into it. When Matt was interested in that stuff, he was intrigued by the concept of these crazy conspiracies, and he was also very naive about American politics. I think he still doesn't fully understand what he's saying which is why he really shouldn't be including things like that "final solution" line. However, I've never gotten the sense that he wants anything to do with the hateful alt-right. Not that I think Matt is like Louis Theroux, but I think they just both have a similar fascination with how those people think the way they do. Now that he lives in the US he's getting a whole new experience of how their media and politics work.

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Calling the song The Globalist was not a mistake. "Final Solution" however has had its connotation for over 70 years.

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If the final solution line is a consciously made warning, like “watch out people, fascism is coming back” then why did Matt pick that moment in the song to reveal himself as the villain in the video?

 

I mean, who gets out of a corvette and strokes their fancy sunglasses to a line that basically says ‘brace for the killing of millions of Jews in death camps’?

 

Also, in an interview Matt said:

 

“If you spend a few hours watching American news, well, that’s were the first part of the song came from really. It’s kinda like some strange bubble where they’re all living up Trump’s bum, basically … It gets inside your mind. I think that’s where the song came from really. You start walking round worrying about things that you wouldn’t normally think about and so the song came from that. How other people’s ideas can kinda take over your own if you’re not careful.”

 

I take that to mean that he thinks the constant worry that is expressed over Trump’s regime in the media is what bothers him. Kind of implying that if no one told him about the horrible things Trump is doing, no one would worry about it. Tell that to the fucking families he’s ripping apart as we speak, Matt. Your privilege is showing.

 

Here’s a link to the article I found the quote in, which I think is wrongly concluding in the headline that the song is about Trump supporters: http://loudwire.com/muse-thought-contagion-trump-supporters/?trackback=tsmclip. . Also, note the mention of Muse’s previous album ‘Clones’.

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If the final solution line is a consciously made warning, like “watch out people, fascism is coming back” then why did Matt pick that moment in the song to reveal himself as the villain in the video?

 

I mean, who gets out of a corvette and strokes their fancy sunglasses to a line that basically says ‘brace for the killing of millions of Jews in death camps’?

 

Also, in an interview Matt said:

 

“If you spend a few hours watching American news, well, that’s were the first part of the song came from really. It’s kinda like some strange bubble where they’re all living up Trump’s bum, basically … It gets inside your mind. I think that’s where the song came from really. You start walking round worrying about things that you wouldn’t normally think about and so the song came from that. How other people’s ideas can kinda take over your own if you’re not careful.”

 

I take that to mean that he thinks the constant worry that is expressed over Trump’s regime in the media is what bothers him. Kind of implying that if no one told him about the horrible things Trump is doing, no one would worry about it. Tell that to the fucking families he’s ripping apart as we speak, Matt. Your privilege is showing.

 

Here’s a link to the article I found the quote in, which I think is wrongly concluding in the headline that the song is about Trump supporters: http://loudwire.com/muse-thought-contagion-trump-supporters/?trackback=tsmclip. . Also, note the mention of Muse’s previous album ‘Clones’.

 

 

Parts of it.

Far right and left wing ppl are getting more and more violent and the economical situation is worrying.

 

Combined with lyrics like the globalist it is about something more.

This entire pc stuff is worrying and having different opinions is harder.

I'm for the free market and once I try to talk about capitalism a lot of people shut down.

 

That he understands the principle of morals dictating your opinion through just believing in your morals but not checking the factors behind it is mentioned with ''you've been bitten by a true believer''

 

From the right there is the conspiracy that the elites want to kill the working class while establishing socialism from the left it is the rerising of the nazis and for some others it is Islamist's going all out.

All of them share the fact that each of these sides would kill free thinkers.

 

There are many things starting to work against the globalists.

 

I don't think we will get a serious answer like with Exo-Politics where he was just joking about aliens and all the magazines bought that. :LOL:

 

 

Anyway I just like Thougt Contagion it is easier written but it is addictive.

 

 

Oh yeah and my prediction for takeabow19 is something with ''a true belieber''

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It has grown on me a little bit tbf. Still think it doesn't build the way it kinda should do on the opening riff, mind. And I do agree that "too late for a revolution..." couplet is very iffy. I get that it might be more for playing a character and drawing into this mix of people's ignorance and the bleakness of history potentially repeating itself, or something along those lines, but its still a very dodgy thing to chuck in as a line, particularly given its the final line of the track.

 

Seen the video. First thought was "Is this what the OASIS from Ready Player One looks like when its on the blink?" Did like the Dig Down arcade game and Dom the traffic cop though. :chuckle:

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And I do agree that "too late for a revolution..." couplet is very iffy.

 

I jumped on the live stream exactly at this line and the second I heard the word "revolution" I knew this song is not going to be good.

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Matt's conspiracy-era stuff got him pretty close to Alex Jones. It's a reputation that has never really gone away.

Oh for the days when I knew less about Alex Jones.

 

Then again its even weirder knowing that his show is one that spends as much time promoting increasingly deranged horeshit about frogs as it does seemingly advertising an expensive lifestyle brand with products such as over-priced wet wipes, shampoo, whistles, bumper stickers and a truly disgusting looking chocolate-flavoured bee pollen chicken collagen paleo drink. Least that's the impression I got from watching the Last Week Tonight piece on him last year.

I jumped on the live stream exactly at this line and the second I heard the word "revolution" I knew this song is not going to be good.

The first two things I heard about the song from scrolling through here on my lunch break yesterday were that the chorus had a lot of "Woah-oh" going on, and that line. My expectations were very low after that.

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Do you guys ever look at the official Muse messageboard?

 

I used to quite a bit - if you wanna find out some stats about the band it's a pretty useful place to go because people on there compile everything that we've ever done, chart positions, sales, stats, gigs, which can be interesting sometimes. - DH

 

I used to back when they liked us but zoned out after everyone slagged off Supermassive Black Hole! - MB

 

 

 

Imagine if Matt came back to read this :LOL:

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If the final solution line is a consciously made warning, like “watch out people, fascism is coming back” then why did Matt pick that moment in the song to reveal himself as the villain in the video?

 

I mean, who gets out of a corvette and strokes their fancy sunglasses to a line that basically says ‘brace for the killing of millions of Jews in death camps’?

 

Also, in an interview Matt said:

 

“If you spend a few hours watching American news, well, that’s were the first part of the song came from really. It’s kinda like some strange bubble where they’re all living up Trump’s bum, basically … It gets inside your mind. I think that’s where the song came from really. You start walking round worrying about things that you wouldn’t normally think about and so the song came from that. How other people’s ideas can kinda take over your own if you’re not careful.”

 

I take that to mean that he thinks the constant worry that is expressed over Trump’s regime in the media is what bothers him. Kind of implying that if no one told him about the horrible things Trump is doing, no one would worry about it. Tell that to the fucking families he’s ripping apart as we speak, Matt. Your privilege is showing.

 

Here’s a link to the article I found the quote in, which I think is wrongly concluding in the headline that the song is about Trump supporters: http://loudwire.com/muse-thought-contagion-trump-supporters/?trackback=tsmclip. . Also, note the mention of Muse’s previous album ‘Clones’.

 

I do think the RS article points to the song being about ALL news being bad. Both sides being "monsters." And then the "final solution" line would be a sarcastic nod to Godwin's Law.

Which is still just an awful, naïve message; "just close your eyes and nothing's wrong! As long as you're super rich."

 

It's also super rich coming from a guy who spent most of his career peddling conspiracy theory tinged songs about aliens, shadow governments, and mind control. The last album was an entire concept album based around conspiracy theory, ffs.

 

I'm honestly glad I thought the song was poor, and didn't have to go through what I did with Drones, where I really truly loved so much of it, but the lyrics rendered it unlistenable for me.

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I do think the RS article points to the song being about ALL news being bad. Both sides being "monsters." And then the "final solution" line would be a sarcastic nod to Godwin's Law.

Which is still just an awful, naïve message; "just close your eyes and nothing's wrong! As long as you're super rich."

 

It's also super rich coming from a guy who spent most of his career peddling conspiracy theory tinged songs about aliens, shadow governments, and mind control. The last album was an entire concept album based around conspiracy theory, ffs.

 

I'm honestly glad I thought the song was poor, and didn't have to go through what I did with Drones, where I really truly loved so much of it, but the lyrics rendered it unlistenable for me.

Yeah in another new interview he pretty much said it exactly like you have interpreted it. If we just turn off the news, life is pretty good.

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I do think the RS article points to the song being about ALL news being bad. Both sides being "monsters." And then the "final solution" line would be a sarcastic nod to Godwin's Law.

Which is still just an awful, naïve message; "just close your eyes and nothing's wrong! As long as you're super rich."

 

It's also super rich coming from a guy who spent most of his career peddling conspiracy theory tinged songs about aliens, shadow governments, and mind control. The last album was an entire concept album based around conspiracy theory, ffs.

 

I'm honestly glad I thought the song was poor, and didn't have to go through what I did with Drones, where I really truly loved so much of it, but the lyrics rendered it unlistenable for me.

 

That's a good interpretation. I think I'll settle with that.

 

I still think it's possible he's not even referencing WWII though, and it's just a generic term which he thought sounded sinister and significant. The term is deliberately ambiguous after all, not to mention it fits well with the rhyme and syllables in the lyrics.

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I personally love Thought Contagion... this comes from a hardcore Muse fan and a 'old muse fan'... :LOL: I grew up listening to and adoring Showbiz, Origins and Absolution. I fell in love with the band because of those albums and still do.

 

I love how they evolve, experiment with different styles and genres but still sound like MUSE. (Yeah I'm one of those fans) Matt has called TC as being Fury 2, I can actually hear this... certain elements of Fury, I've yet to see anyone agree with this. I also adore Fury, one of my favourite Muse tracks.

 

As with all their songs, I don't really have a problem with the lyrics, especially in the last few albums where everyone has bi**hed about them, yes their 'wild' and 'out there' and a little 'over the top', but I don't take those lyrics in the same way as everyone else does. I use them and connect to them in different ways, I interpret them in a different way. (Not sure if that makes sense to anyone...) But yeah, I take my own personal interpretation from the lyrics.

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