Don'tPostThePear Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 just a passive volume control before or after the KP?? yes, after. because you just have to make a strong line level signal into a weak instrument level signal imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 but you need to feed the KP a strong line level signal. Your idea of a DI loop seems sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 tom, came across a good video which might be a better solution. Some guy on the yewchoobs set himself up like so: Input > OD > FX Loop with KP (I'm guessing it was set to Direct mode instead of the through mode) > Fuzz etc etc etc he mentioned it was just a simple effects loop based on some sort of amp. Now, there's the obvious thing of FX Placement (I'd have the KP after Fuzz etc, with the other modulation effects). BUT, when he had the FX loop thingy, built with a true bypass, it had no effect on his volume or dynamics. Makes massive sense to me, considering how i've seen several cases on the intarcookies of people putting their line effects in the FX Loop for them to work fine. Of course, there is obvious other pros to having a DI Loop box, for future purchaces etc. But that FX Loop idea should do the trick too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 By Fx loop do you just mean a true bypass loop? If so, it'll be no different to how it is now once that loop is engaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Yeh a TB loop is just that. You need something to increase the gain, then decrease it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 no no no, It's basically the FX loop circuit from an amp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 In an amp, you have a pre, and a power amp, and in between an effects loop. The effects loop in an amp is just two jack sockets, that's it, so what's in this circuit you're on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 no there's more to it. There's basically a buffer on either side of it. Some high end amps use a 12AU7 as a tube buffer. I think Marshall do it that way, but you can do it with dual op amps like TL082's too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Yeah, but your Kp problem is to do with running it into your amps preamp, you need to be bypassing it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 The amp's pre-amp will effect the tone of the KP but the KP bypassed should leave the guitar tone intact (with the above solution). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 you can see how he does it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6g_jeVOksA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomrulez Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Looks like he has just built a true bypass loop and put the KP and that other pedal in the loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musomuser Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Has anyone here tried stripping their guitar of all paint, and repainting? I'm tempted to give it a shot with an old fender squire, but I don't want to mess the electronics up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomrulez Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Has anyone here tried stripping their guitar of all paint, and repainting? I'm tempted to give it a shot with an old fender squire, but I don't want to mess the electronics up! Take the electronics out then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil. Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Surely with this whole KP "To loop or not to loop" Dilemma, the True bypass loop is the best solution, possibly with a "series/parallel" option, because if you are just going to use with with an XY pad on a guitar, then you could engage it with the Loop, fuck around with synths noises and shit, then switch it back off with the Loop? And for more practical uses like a delay or something, set the mix on the KP to 100%, have the loop set to "Parallel" (or whatever, so you get both signals) Then you have the fully dynamic and un-effected tone from the direct signal from the guitar, plus the reverb or delay signal from the KP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Having the KP in a parrallel loop would be nice, but that isn't the issue. To give best results, the KP requires a line level input (apparently). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 yeah. I'm going to build a small FX loop this weekend with buffers either side, see if that makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 sticking a blend control in there is probably a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 will do. cheers tom. Should i replace one of the buffers with a clean adjustable boost? so you can get the levels right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 no idea. It might be good to have input and output gain controls on there anyway, so you can experiment with the KP to get the best sound. If it doesn't work, it'd always be useful to get more gain out of dirt pedals IE put something in the loop, stick the input gain on full, bring the output down to get it in line, and you're driving the pedal 10X harder than before. I dunno. I had the soldering iron out again at the weekend so i'm feeling all practical and accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 cool. Two adjustable buffers and a true byp'ass switch it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 the treadle on my whammy's gone a bit stiff lately. Any easy way to loosen up my whammy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 You need to lube up your whammy to get it rockin' smooth Lube up that whammy while you get into the groove. You need a firm whammy but stiff's too far dude Take my advice and the women will flock to you. WD40 would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil. Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 cool. Two adjustable buffers and a true byp'ass switch it is. And a blend control! and a parallel/series switch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russell_A Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 WD40 would be fine. No! Do not do this, I did it and it kills tone, ive been playing for 49 years and ive learnt that tone comes from the fingertips, but my special tip for loosening your magic treadle is to use this its expensive, but my '59 les paul would sound shit without it. That, along with my gold plated sneakers are the secret to honing your tone... I second WD-40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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