altbecky Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The fact that you didn't know the origin of the word doesn't make it less hurtful. My very conservative parents would have washed my mouth out with soap had I been caught using that word. So let's not pretend its some new level of victim culture we white people gave to endure unjustly. Even Republicans like my parents refrain from using a word that offends people and will not try to defend it. Its not about political identity it's about human decency. Anyway. Raw. Angst. There's my on topic contribution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydebank Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Also you realizing categorically saying "white people" = racists without knowing my ethnicity at all is hugely ignorant and racist. :LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Can you please all get back on topic? And a "one line to be on topic whilst discussing something else off topic" doesn't count. Otherwise we'll have to start infracting. If you want to discuss racism and political correctness you have the non muse section for that. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The tipical pretentious lecture by Sippe. Standing against discrimination and predjuduce is so damn pretentious. Do I need to say that was sarcastic? I'm starting to think people aren't picking up on things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 You missed my point entirely. I was not aware of the origins of the word as stated, and used it in an innocuous manner yet racist accusations are thrown around. It's sillyYou were simply told that it was a racial slur, quite nicely at that. It wasn't until after you started to actually defend your usage of the word that the idea of racist views was brought up. Racism is about so much more than hating on other "races" these days. Although I'm really not in the mood for holding a lecture on the subject as you already seem dead set on loathing "political correctness". And you're welcome to explain to me what you meant by "but rather convey the connotation of the word" then, since I obviously missed the point. Also you realizing categorically saying "white people" = racists without knowing my ethnicity at all is hugely ignorant and racist. I'm not saying that white people are racists (Are you also one of the people who say "not all men"?). However, white men are the only group who consistently gains advantages in a society which is built on racism. Structural racism, which can't happen to white people today. But no, I don't know if you're actually white. Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Obviously a warning on the thread didn't work so let's put it this way anymore off topic post will receive warnings or infractions depending on the track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 You were simply told that it was a racial slur, quite nicely at that. It wasn't until after you started to actually defend your usage of the word that the idea of racist views was brought up. Racism is about so much more than hating on other "races" these days. Although I'm really not in the mood for holding a lecture on the subject as you already seem dead set on loathing "political correctness". And you're welcome to explain to me what you meant by "but rather convey the connotation of the word" then, since I obviously missed the point. I'm not saying that white people are racists (Are you also one of the people who say "not all men"?). However, white men are the only group who consistently gains advantages in a society which is built on racism. Structural racism, which can't happen to white people today. But no, I don't know if you're actually white. Are you? Bah let's just forget it. By the way I'm fair-skinned and Mexican/Spanish. I came off stronger than I wanted to with the whole PC business, but it just seems like everything said is super serious and it grinds my gears. I didn't know about the origins of that word, but I was informed and as I said before I can vouch for at least my close friends who toss it around from time to time have no clue where it came from, nor do they know that it is apparently a racial slur when used as a verb rather than a noun. Main thing here is I would watch my choice of words if it directly offended someone here rather than being told it carries the potential to offend, nevertheless I only used it innocuously without knowing its origin but needless to say I'm not going to repeat it. Moving onwards, I think it's promising that Matt was stoic and proper in addressing his fans. I really do hope he's doing well, I'm very excited for the next couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Obviously a warning on the thread didn't work Unless you believe that somehow it took me more than a minute to post that last one. Unbelievable, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 nor do they know that it is apparently a racial slur when used as a verb rather than a noun It's racist as both actually, but could be considered more so even in the case of the verb because its actual definition is negative. But yeah, that's a sensible reply, and the one you should have used in the first place, without trying to put the blame on someone else. Say that you didn't know, and learn from it (and preferably apologise...but you know) Now we shake hands and the mods can infract me if they'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyjackk Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 so.... album 7... raw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picko Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 With the possibility of Matt using a 7-stringed guitar, part of me wonders if he'd consider using an even lower tuning on LP7. This video shows a 9-stringed guitar, with the lowest string tuned to C#. The riff at 0:33 could possibly sound like a heavy Muse riff a la Execution Commentary with that heavy bass sound. Forget the rest of the song, it's hardly something I'd expect Muse to come out with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXi3jnjc5NU#t=33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I hope every song is written in the key of raw. Just like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UagICs0ylYo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Would be interesting to see a slower song with the lower tuning. Like Prague but not shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There's a black hole producing a pitch about 57 octaves below middle C, so maybe he'll try and recreate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So the LHC is really just a big bass string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I feel like using a lower tuning would be interesting if Muse break from the generic metal formula of developing ever-so-similar riffs but I can't help but think that going to C# or Drop C would be a cheap way for them toget a heavy/raw feel out of a riff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Someone needs to run it through a big muff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So the LHC is really just a big bass string. Actually how low would such a note be? It could be the natural frequency of some structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picko Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Sign Of The Times was a good example of using Drop C for a slow riff (in the verses). Deftones have some good examples of writing slow songs with heavy riffs e.g. You've Seen The Butcher, Tempest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Resistance Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Like Prague but not shit. Thanks for reminding me how terrible that cover/song was. edit - also matt was just on triple J in aust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maneachicken Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Thanks for reminding me how terrible that cover/song was. edit - also matt was just on triple J in aust Ooh, any news/link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 With the possibility of Matt using a 7-stringed guitar, part of me wonders if he'd consider using an even lower tuning on LP7. This video shows a 9-stringed guitar, with the lowest string tuned to C#. The riff at 0:33 could possibly sound like a heavy Muse riff a la Execution Commentary with that heavy bass sound. Forget the rest of the song, it's hardly something I'd expect Muse to come out with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXi3jnjc5NU#t=33 I wouldn't object- I'd love to hear Stockholm Syndrome, Futurism and Citizen Erased with a super-heavy tone. I wonder if Deftones are on Muse's radar much these days. Cue even more outrage from the metal community if he does, though. Proof that 8-stringers are the preserve of un-kvlt posers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musekiddo Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 edit - also matt was just on triple J in aust A new interview? I didn't hear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Resistance Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 ... Unfortunately not news . He was saying goodbye to a JJJ presenter, then they started playing that survival cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenbanana Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 What about that tappy fretboard device thing that popped up earlier in the thread and was pictured on his guitar? Could imagine getting something pretty awesome involving that Also, moar Drop A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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