CatchHellBlues Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Exactly. There's next to zero progression, minor lyrical changes throughout and the same goddamn riff for 5 minutes with a guitar solo 4 minutes in. That's way too long. 3 minutes of this with a solo at 2:00 would be pushing it in my opinion. If they just fucked around with it one time it would be a great song for me, it just borders on tedious and is only on the right side of that line because of the mad lyrics. It would be utterly dull without those. Really hope there is bigger and better things to come from this album Another thing, did they really have to do the "fucking psycho" thing 3 times in a row. Makes it less impactful when it's overdone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foozles Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Yeah the riff gets a little old and the song is kind of long, but I still enjoy those aspects. I even enjoy the melody of "Your ass belongs to me now." I can even get over how blunt and cheesy the lyrics are. The drill sergeant is what pushes the whole thing over the edge for me. I really like Psycho, but that damn sergeant is holding it back in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sargenoodles Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 So on the pre-order page it says the DVD will be a mix of new songs played on this little UK tour. How many new songs do you guys think will be played during it? (sorry if this has been brought up already, the forum moves too quick to sift through all the pages I miss) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foozles Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Really hope there is bigger and better things to come from this album I feel like there truly is. Survival wasn't exactly a homerun, nor was it indicative of all of T2L. I say look forward to Drones based on Dead Inside, which we'll more than likely hear Sunday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatchHellBlues Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I feel like there truly is. Survival wasn't exactly a homerun, nor was it indicative of all of T2L. I say look forward to Drones based on Dead Inside, which we'll more than likely hear Sunday night. Survival's lyrics were poor but the music behind them IMO was infinitely better than Psycho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I think the song is ok, but that kinda puts it in the middle. A comment on the video kinda shared my own view that I'll look forward to the album if it goes down that road in general, but I'll likely be disappointed if that's actually a highlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatchHellBlues Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I think the song is ok, but that kinda puts it in the middle. A comment on the video kinda shared my own view that I'll look forward to the album if it goes down that road in general, but I'll likely be disappointed if that's actually a highlight. It's a step in the right direction like you say but If this is the highlight of the album then I will be very disappointed and likely go off Muse altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foozles Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Survival's lyrics were poor but the music behind them IMO was infinitely better than Psycho. I can see why most people like it a lot, I'm personally just not a fan of Muse doing stadium rock opera... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatchHellBlues Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The funny thing about yesterday was while I was waiting for Muse on Annie Mac she played an awesome track that I can't remember the name of. That was probably the highlight of my day (apart from the initial Psycho hype ofc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleasure Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I jump into the "it sounds better without the video" train. 7.5/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatchHellBlues Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm downgrading from solid 7/10 to 6/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondarider98 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Hey guys it's my first time posting on this forum and preordering an album. I preordered the deluxe edition on the UK store and am wondering if that was the right move? Will the dvd be playable here in Canada? I also just realized from reading the forum that this deluxe edition is pretty cheap compared to T2L. There is no special box or FLAC download. Is this even worth buying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follow Me Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I was underwhelmed and sort of frustrated when I heard the song for the first time, but after several hours passing and then revisiting it, I now think it's a pretty decent song. I really enjoy the excess of expletives, and while the lyrics are tilting to a simplistic side, I don't think I could've imagined deeply metaphorical or introspective lyrics for a song with an incredibly groovy melody and riff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Exactly. There's next to zero progression, minor lyrical changes throughout and the same goddamn riff for 5 minutes with a guitar solo 4 minutes in. That's way too long. 3 minutes of this with a solo at 2:00 would be pushing it in my opinion. Doesn't make it a bad track. There is enough progression to where it's not like the only thing in the song is 03050305(bend)5(bend). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyneutron Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I jump into the "it sounds better without the video" train. 7.5/10 The video is quite cringeworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckmuser14 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's so bad about the video? It's not Supremacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum IV Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 One thing I've noticed is that there's always mass frustration and polarised, wildly shifting opinions when Muse release new stuff. Easy to forget this as a Muse fan, but their music is pretty batshit ridiculous at times, and I figure it takes a while for people to make up their mind. I remember one time having a glimpse at the old board archives dating back to the early 2000's. Noticed the same trend around the release of Abso, where everyone started whinging about how terrible it was, how much better the old Muse were, how they were never listening to them again etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Only the drill sergeant I don't like. The rest is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 One thing I've noticed is that there's always mass frustration and polarised, wildly shifting opinions when Muse release new stuff. Easy to forget this as a Muse fan, but their music is pretty batshit ridiculous at times, and I figure it takes a while for people to make up their mind. I remember one time having a glimpse at the old board archives dating back to the early 2000's. Noticed the same trend around the release of Abso, where everyone started whinging about how terrible it was, how much better the old Muse were, how they were never listening to them again etc. etc. I think someone mentioned it was the same when New Born was first heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What the fuck was that "I'll turn you into a super drone" line about? It sounds so forced and odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum IV Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I think someone mentioned it was the same when New Born was first heard. We're complaining about cringe-worthy lyrics; I'm pretty sure "stretch it like a birthsqueeze" would've gotten a few complaints back then. Nowadays we barely even think about it. I think Matt does it deliberately tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 One thing I've noticed is that there's always mass frustration and polarised, wildly shifting opinions when Muse release new stuff. Easy to forget this as a Muse fan, but their music is pretty batshit ridiculous at times, and I figure it takes a while for people to make up their mind. I remember one time having a glimpse at the old board archives dating back to the early 2000's. Noticed the same trend around the release of Abso, where everyone started whinging about how terrible it was, how much better the old Muse were, how they were never listening to them again etc. etc. This is pretty accurate. It's fun to watch initial reactions but silly to take them seriously. Most hardcore Muse fans will complain about anything they release until they come around to liking it. Personally I think "Dead Inside" will serve to counterbalance this track. Catchier hooks, hard but perhaps slightly poppier guitar work.. I expect it'll still be dark, just easier for the majority to enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 If you've only got one riff don't play if for 5 and a half minutes. It's a shame to be bored by such a cool sounding riff but its just bloody too much Look at something like Seven Nation Army, it's not even 4 minutes long and they play that riff over and over. Admittedly they do take it to another level but I've never heard it and though "oh not this again" because it's the perfect length. Short and sweet, keep people waiting more. Muse would have done better with this approach IMO I feel Psycho would be much better if it was a good two minutes shorter, in fact I may make experiment with that theory and made a shorter edit tomorrow/today. Just pointing out that it's not just one riff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Just pointing out that it's not just one riff. This. There's the 0305030, the descending guitar riff, the palm muted riff, and the descending jazzy bass riff as well as the solo. Anyone saying this track is boring and drags on too long should notice it's more technical than they think before saying "zomg fukn 17 year old riff unoriginal 2 literal i h8 u mose!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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