Peter. Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 As I mentioned above, devices have many different purposes besides the primary. Most people don't buy a gun for mass human murder but it doesn't make it less of an effective tool for that job. I do see the point though that you could either consider the computer itself an instrument, or the DAW. That's more of a detail on another topic though, since both of those could be considered unconventional. well, according to that, two shoes become instruments at the very moment I bang them together. 'conventional' instruments (guitar, piano etc) are 'real' instruments because that's the only purpose they serve. everything else falls into the "you can make sound with it, so if you really want to, you can call it an instrument" category. that includes: shoes, buckets, tables, chairs, cuttlery AND computers. check out this guy: (sorry, I don't know how to insert the actual video, could someone PM me on how to do it?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 well, according to that, two shoes become instruments at the very moment I bang them together. 'conventional' instruments (guitar, piano etc) are 'real' instruments because that's the only purpose they serve. everything else falls into the "you can make sound with it, so if you really want to, you can call it an instrument" category. that includes: shoes, buckets, tables, chairs, cuttlery AND computers. check out this guy: (sorry, I don't know how to insert the actual video, could someone PM me on how to do it?) You could categorize them into "conventional" or "unconventional" instruments, but I never liked the "real instruments" much. Does that mean the other ones are not "real"? And yes, if you bang two shoes together, that can be an instrument. Most percussion instruments very basic, even the concept is just hitting stuff to make noise. Spoons are a widely used "instrument". YouTube embedding is [YT]video url [ /YT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 well, according to that, two shoes become instruments at the very moment I bang them together. 'conventional' instruments (guitar, piano etc) are 'real' instruments because that's the only purpose they serve. everything else falls into the "you can make sound with it, so if you really want to, you can call it an instrument" category. that includes: shoes, buckets, tables, chairs, cuttlery AND computers. check out this guy: (sorry, I don't know how to insert the actual video, could someone PM me on how to do it?) I can always use my guitar as a place to eat breakfast on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I can always use my guitar as a place to eat breakfast on. I do use my guitar as a place to eat breakfast on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I do use my guitar as a place to eat breakfast on. What a coincidence. I also use your guitar to eat breakfast on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 What a coincidence. I also use your guitar to eat breakfast on. How did you get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi of Cydonia Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I just listened to Unsustainable again for the first time in like 3 or weeks and I've got to admit...as much as I want to I still don't like the song. I think the beginning strings part with the news reporter is cool and everything but it feels more like the audio to a science fiction movie trailer to me rather than an actual song. The dubstep part is okay but not really my thing since I'm not really into dubstep. The part after the dubstep is definitely the best part, especially when Matt's vocals come in but all it's potential to be amazing and to build up to an awesome, climatic ending is ruined when the dubstep part is straight copied and pasted from earlier in the song. I realize now that the main reason I never want to listen to this song is because I only actively enjoy about 50 seconds of it and I have to wait 2 minutes to get to that point. (^My opinion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Rockwell Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I just listened to Unsustainable again for the first time in like 3 or weeks and I've got to admit...as much as I want to I still don't like the song. ...The part after the dubstep is definitely the best part, especially when Matt's vocals come in but all it's potential to be amazing and to build up to an awesome, climatic ending is ruined when the dubstep part is straight copied and pasted from earlier in the song. I realize now that the main reason I never want to listen to this song is because I only actively enjoy about 50 seconds of it and I have to wait 2 minutes to get to that point. (^My opinion) I share your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 A lot of people. Doesn't make it true, mind. Oh, definitely inspired by him, but personally I don't think it sounds that similar. Similarities are quite apparent for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edeslash Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Status report: I still love Unsustainable. I wish the second heavy part (I'm refusing to call it a drop or dubstep, as should you!) had something special. Maybe extended, maybe a bit different kaoss wankery... But everything else is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Similarities are quite apparent for me Well that's just fucking great, isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muse maniac Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Similarities are quite apparent for me Oh sure, there are similarities. There are similarities to that irresistible song someone kept going on about a month or so back. That doesn't necessary mean it sounds like Skrillex. It sounds like guitar, Skrillex's music does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Well that's just fucking great, isn't it Fight me Oh sure, there are similarities. There are similarities to that irresistible song someone kept going on about a month or so back. That doesn't necessary mean it sounds like Skrillex. It sounds like guitar, Skrillex's music does not. Well, I doubt when most people hear it they instantly think "ah yes, that sounds like a guitars being modulated by a DigiTech Whammy to sound akin to the 'dubstep' genre, indeed". I also think it's stupid when people go "oh they've been playing riffs like that for years". No. I can't quite think of any riff similar to Unsustainable Will be interested to see if live he uses a MIDI controlled whammy like Shikari do in SystemMeltdown or if he just fucks around with it in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muse maniac Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Well, I doubt when most people hear it they instantly think "ah yes, that sounds like a guitars being modulated by a DigiTech Whammy to sound akin to the 'dubstep' genre, indeed". I also think it's stupid when people go "oh they've been playing riffs like that for years". No. I can't quite think of any riff similar to Unsustainable Will be interested to see if live he uses a MIDI controlled whammy like Shikari do in SystemMeltdown or if he just fucks around with it in general Fair points but you can here a pronounced difference between the dub step sounds played by guitar and those made on a computer. I haven't heard a lot of dub step but from what I have heard Skrillex's music is not far removed from the rest of dub step, which is why I think it sounds vaguely like dub step, not Skrillex particular. I agree that Muse haven't done anything like this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXOPOLITICIAN Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 it feels more like the audio to a science fiction movie trailer to me rather than an actual song. (^My opinion) This is why I love it. It's not just Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus blah blah (which is of course a fine structure) this is different. Not just another album track. It's broader and bigger and better. Or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi of Cydonia Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 This is why I love it. It's not just Verse/Chorus/Verse/Chorus blah blah (which is of course a fine structure) this is different. Not just another album track. It's broader and bigger and better. Or whatever. Yeah I mean I get that, but it's just not something I casually enjoy listening to. I could see it as a really awesome live intro. I don't know if hearing/seeing this song in a live setting will change my opinion of it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUSEologist Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 The electronic "Unsustainable" vocal just makes me think of Jean Michel Jarre "Revolution" Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indyjones445 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I've always loved this song. And i don't even like dubstep. That middle section with Matt's "Wooooaaaohhhs" is just amazing. Also, I'm probably in a minority with this, but i don't mind the womans voice. To be honest, i even find myself talking along with it if I'm in the car listening to it all by myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobomania Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Sorry if this has been asked before but why does it suddenly cut off at the end? It sounds like a bit of the ending has been spliced off, it just ends halfway through the sound right at the end and it's quite annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Sorry if this has been asked before but why does it suddenly cut off at the end? It sounds like a bit of the ending has been spliced off, it just ends halfway through the sound right at the end and it's quite annoying It was supposed to be a two parter, but then Matt forgot about writing the second part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxbEqYIs56g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I preferred the panda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I preferred the panda. lol same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DifferentPerson Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 So it seems they plan to play Unsustainable as an intro to the concert, according to Matt on the Askmuse thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PwoperFisch Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Anyone else think this could work as an opener? Maybe a longer intro of the string-part, lady starts talking (kind of like We are the universe) and then BAM! Well would you look at that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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