Sephian Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 No more setlist beef, please... Aye aye captain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontask Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 I'm pretty convinced they just play whatever they feel like playing. If thats the same tunes, then maybe they see it as more of a job, with a routine, than something inherently enjoyable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grainne Louise Posted April 1, 2011 Share Posted April 1, 2011 If people with Reading tickets are moaning about hearing all of Origin of Symmetry then I wouldn't mind if they just organised another gig purely to play Origin of Symmetry and all of the b-sides of that era maybe it could be on the real 10 year anniversary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBellamyist Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 How about just a Hullabaloo anniversary instead? Best gig they've ever had, in my opinion. With Stockholm thrown in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark_ Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Now, let me explain this to you so we can avoid turning it into setlist beef. Muse aren't variating their setlists at all, mixing this up usually meant changing the place of some songs, always keeping the standard 15-17 songs every gig. Now, there have been moments on the tour that had some great setlist in terms of mixing things up, especially in Asia and Australia. What people are complaining about isn't "Why didn't we get this song?", it's "Why didn't ANY of the previous gigs get anything like this(meaning rare songs, not any songs in particular songs)?" If they changed after the Brisbane gig, fair enough. But right after that gig everything went back to the normal, standard set. If you are happy with this, good for you. can't we just leave it at that? Oh and to answer your question about when I think would be a good moment for them to start. How about from the beginning? And since we can't go back in time, how about right now and then keep going like that? Nah it didn't. Went to Sydney 2 and got Bliss + Butterflies, and the peeps who went to Sydney 1 got CE and Sunburn. Ditto for Melbourne. Slightly disappointed that they didn't use the alternate setlist structure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Nah it didn't. Went to Sydney 2 and got Bliss + Butterflies, and the peeps who went to Sydney 1 got CE and Sunburn. Ditto for Melbourne. Slightly disappointed that they didn't use the alternate setlist structure though. I'm not allowed to respond to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reino Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 wow you're a bunch of pompous whiny poms. All bands have generic setlists, why songs remain on their? a. it pleases the crowd. b. it becomes soo natural they dont even have to enjoy the song/ worry about mistakes c. shaky setlists mean no quick transitions, change of stage plans, lighting etc. its more than a band that has to deal with a setlist... jeesus ur a bunch of pooftas, grow up you 12 year olds. Be grateful your spoilt country is seeing the damn album.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofu Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I agree with the previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 All bands have generic setlists, why songs remain on their? No they don't. a. it pleases the crowd. I've seen Guiding Light, Undisclosed Desires, Resistance, Starlight, Soldier's Poem, Invincible, Feeling Good and Unintended live. Every single one of them, perhaps with the exception of Starlight and Feeling Good, has broken the ebb and flow of the respective gig I heard them at. Also, not all the crowd loves them. Undisclosed Desires in London 2009 was absolutely dead and flat. Don't get me wrong, I love that song, but it just doesn't work live. b. it becomes soo natural they dont even have to enjoy the song/ worry about mistakes So auto-pilot is fine? c. shaky setlists mean no quick transitions, change of stage plans, lighting etc. Have you been to a Muse gig recently? The gaps between their songs are MASSIVE, often more than a minute. I saw the Manic Street Preachers recently at a fairly large gig and even with guitar changes, speeches, etc, they rarely had any gaps between songs. It doesn't help that Muse are crap at constructing setlists these days. They need to start grouping songs by tuning to save time and stop changing guitars so much! The changes are completely unneccessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Don't forget the mandatory 300 riffs that have to follow every fucking song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beibi Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Have you been to a Muse gig recently? The gaps between their songs are MASSIVE I've been, and the gaps aren't MASSIVE. Change a guitar doesn't take that long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I've been, and the gaps aren't MASSIVE. Change a guitar doesn't take that long It does when you're Matt Bellamy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy. Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I've been, and the gaps aren't MASSIVE. Change a guitar doesn't take that long I agree with this. Although the constant gaps inbetween songs are annoying, they're not really that long. It would be good if Muse did what most other bands did and just went from one song into another with little to no time inbetween, and if they stuck to their own riffs in terms of filling in between songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I've been, and the gaps aren't MASSIVE. Change a guitar doesn't take that long They are compared with most bands. Live performances by bands of Muse's ilk rely on momentum and once upon a time, Muse understood this . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WutDaFucksy Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I'd honestly say at a Muse gig at least 20 minutes of the gig isn't Muse songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I'd honestly say at a Muse gig at least 20 minutes of the gig isn't Muse songs. Pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I still quite like the riffs between songs though. The actual time they take switching guitars etc. isn't that long at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofu Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I agree with the previous post. Woooow massive fail on my part. :facepalm: :$ I thought it was PMT. *digs grave and buries self* I can't stop laughing for some reason though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Renton Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 "be it a five hour wait for Axl Rose to have the mother of all pre-gig wanks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beibi Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 They are compared with most bands. Live performances by bands of Muse's ilk rely on momentum and once upon a time, Muse understood this . Come on! aren't you overreacting a bit about something as insignificant as this? Is true that there's always room for those moments that nobody expects like flying guitars, singers jumping over the drums or destroying them like he did at the last gig I was last year, but that doesn't mean that Muse's performances have never been rehearsed, or, do you think that Matt putting Dom's drums down during some 2004 gigs was spontaneous? Riffs, gaps between songs and standard setlist have always been there, but sadly it looks like some of you have a selective memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 All I'm saying is that the gaps have got painfully long to accomodate for what I regard as unneccessary, arguably gratuitous, changes of guitar, rehearsed speeches, time to load restrictive lighting and visual programmes, silly noodling that adds guff to gigs, etc. I just think they could sharpen it all up. Watch the opening three songs of Muse at Rock Am Ring 2004 or listen to the Earls Court bootleg again, it's just... better because the gaps are short/non-existant. Matt and Chris should try gigging with just one guitar and bass for a change . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reino Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Dude seriously, every band has excessive time during sets, these are usually filled during jams, solos, jokes, or just blabbering with the crowd. A band averages 15-20 songs per set How much time are they assigned? usually 80-120 mins. How will they fill that time with just songs? how can Matt Bellamy sing 22+ songs without break here and then, I dont think he could... its called re-energizing and I do agree they need more smooth tranisitions but you cant expect them to go, song, song, song, song, break, song, song, song, song break.... etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I'm not saying they should just play non-stop . But 30 to 60 second gaps between nearly every song (on average through the gig, ofc) is just a bit silly. The riffs are another matter altogether. I don't mind them per se but again, over a whole gig, you could fit in about three extra original songs. Look at the 2009 Resistance Tour, the average gig length was about 16 songs with few, if any, rarities whatsoever. Had they cut back on the riffs/sharpened up the timings, they could have rotated songs like Sunburn, Bliss, Citizen Erased, Butterflies & Hurricanes, etc. Put it this way; I just think Muse have become A BIT complacent in regards to their live performances in the wake of winning every live act award on the planet. Again, I'm not saying they didn't deserve them back between 2001 and 2005 when they were genuinely incredible live (retaining the spontenaity and pace), but since then, it's all become a bit bloated what with the massive shows, UFOs, lasers, walkways, plinths, acrobats, etc. That's all folks . I'm hoping running through OoS might just bring their minds back to where they were at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkadelic Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 All I'm saying is that the gaps have got painfully long to accomodate for what I regard as unneccessary, arguably gratuitous, changes of guitar, rehearsed speeches, time to load restrictive lighting and visual programmes, silly noodling that adds guff to gigs, etc. Wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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