Bumpypotato Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I really have no way to tell if that was sarcasm or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 no I mean it. I said there were a few exceptions (like Animals, Micro Cus and Supremacy) but those were quite standard, despite not being in 4/4. But let's not take this further, I don't want to support the notion that more complex=better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 no I mean it. I said there were a few exceptions (like Animals, Micro Cus and Supremacy) but those were quite standard, despite not being in 4/4. But let's not take this further, I don't want to support the notion that more complex=better. Just had to check And of course more complex=/= better - if it did Drones would probably be one of their best albums - but it's an interesting point, because despite all the claims that they're some of the best musicians in rock, they'e clearly outclassed by a lot of acts (although Matt does seem to be a better pianist than many of his peers). Honestly if be happy with a simple album from them so long as the music is still interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Muse just have a lot of showoff talent.Perfect example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbRjh8KiVXE EDIT: Anyway, yeah simple music is not an issue. It just feels like Muse are running out of ideas, so why not go outside the box that they seem to have gotten stuck in. Experiment with more than just genres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkdmtro93 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) I don't know how to tell if a song is 4/4, 5/4 etc I usually understand of how it repeats itself by hitting my foot on the floor I usually count 8 beats (?), not 4 though. Anyway isn't TSP not an "ordinary" song by means of counting? I remember smth I saw on the making of Abso dvd, or am I wrong? Edited August 18, 2016 by nkdmtro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I'm not very good at telling time signatures but seems like 4/4 to me. He was counting 22 measures in the chorus in the making of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 And of course more complex=/= better - if it did Drones would probably be one of their best albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyP117 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Doesn't Assassin have a little fluctuation in the verses as well? Does it go 5/4 or 6/4 at the end of each verse? I just go with it when playing it on bass but it doesn't seem like 4/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisF Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Yep that's true it goes to 6/4 at some points during the verses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkdmtro93 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) I'm not very good at telling time signatures but seems like 4/4 to me. He was counting 22 measures in the chorus in the making of thing. But 4 isn't a factor of 22 Or this not the way to measure? I thought it should be "smth,smth,smth,smth" then again the same pattern. Tried just now to count TSP, but it's confusing EDIT: I'm talking about the chorus mostly and the verse, the riff obviously is in 4 beats Edited August 18, 2016 by nkdmtro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisF Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 But 4 isn't a factor of 22 Or this not the way to measure? I thought it should be "smth,smth,smth,smth" then again the same pattern. Tried just now to count TSP, but it's confusing EDIT: I'm talking about the chorus mostly and the verse, the riff obviously is in 4 beats The whole song is in 4/4, in the chorus (beginning from the 'say', excluding the pre chorus/intro riff, after the bee and prior to the chorus) there is 22 bars/measures of 4/4 in the chorus Hope this helped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyP117 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Yep that's true it goes to 6/4 at some points during the verses Ah cheers, thought so! Just trying to think of everything they've done which isn't in 4/4... Take A Bow, Falling Down, Blackout, Exogenesis and RBS in 3/4, not a particularly 'out there' signature but ah well. Animals and the outro of Agitated in 5/4. Assassin and Micro Cuts with changes to 6/4. Outro to Cave? Not listened for a while but is there a 5/4 change in there somewhere? Might have missed a few. Some experimentation with odd time signatures would be great on a future album, they've definitely got the technical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Although a reworked song, Drones is easily the most complex song of the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) Ah cheers, thought so! Just trying to think of everything they've done which isn't in 4/4... Take A Bow, Falling Down, Blackout, Exogenesis and RBS in 3/4, not a particularly 'out there' signature but ah well. + Soldier's Poem and their (awful) cover of PPPLMGWIW, I think. Yay for pointless nitpicks Although a reworked song, Drones is easily the most complex song of the album. I wouldn't say Drones is particularly complex tbh. Either way though, that's only one song on the album. On the whole, it might be their least complex record. Edited August 18, 2016 by Jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyP117 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 + Soldier's Poem and their (awful) cover of PPPLMGWIW, I think. Yay for pointless nitpicks Ah yeah I forgot about Soldier's Poem...and thanks for reminding me about that dreadful cover, ew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I have to admit there were more cases that I thought, but yeah, nothing out of the ordinary really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Drones is really straightforward, agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Although a reworked song, Drones is easily the most complex song of the album. But Bumpy meant the whole album, not the song. But again, the problems with Drones (album) aren't in its complexity... Rather in its quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 And redundant repetition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Drones is such a curate's egg. Dead Inside, Reapers and The Handler are SO good. But the rest ranges from SO shit to barely mediocre. And that's been true of Muse since BH&R, frankly. It's annoying because it makes me keep on believing they've got a great, consistent album left in them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Drones is such a curate's egg. Dead Inside, Reapers and The Handler are SO good. But the rest ranges from SO shit to barely mediocre. And that's been true of Muse since BH&R, frankly. It's annoying because it makes me keep on believing they've got a great, consistent album left in them... I think calling any of the songs off Drones shit is a bit excessive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 Pahahahahahgahhahsahahahha . Orly? Dismount one's high horse sir and bow before my majesty, you sack of fetid dark matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenbanana Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 It's annoying because it makes me keep on believing they've got a great, consistent album left in them... So true, they keep producing just about enough great material per album to keep me hooked. Although frankly my pessimism has grown to the point where I'm no longer thinking "so psyched for the new Muse album!!!" so much as "so psyched for the 2-3 great songs on the new Muse album!!!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denise3112 Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 So true, they keep producing just about enough great material per album to keep me hooked. Although frankly my pessimism has grown to the point where I'm no longer thinking "so psyched for the new Muse album!!!" so much as "so psyched for the 2-3 great songs on the new Muse album!!!". Yes, I get this. On Drones, for me, its The Handler (standout track) and The Globalist, then 'bits' of some of the others. The riff and the base line in Psycho. The tempo change in Revolt. The last minute of Dead Inside. Reapers progginess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum IV Posted August 18, 2016 Share Posted August 18, 2016 I think calling any of the songs off Drones shit is a bit excessive. Yep. There's nothing bad on the album, just a bunch of songs that should've been left in the oven a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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