FabriPav Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Sometimes they do. Rarely, yes. But most of the times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim59 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 UD is pretty dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis III Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I find unsustainable pretty innovative Has anyone mixed a dubstep riff on guitars and drums with orchestral with talking? You may have a point there, actually. Unless there's some established genre called spoken-word sympho-guitarstep that's somehow totally eluded us until now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minimal Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Used to think Madness sucked until I saw the live one. Really changed my opinion of that song, it just feels so "close" and personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bells Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I dislike Madness because it's doesn't surprise me. It sounds like a bad parody of modern pop - i.e. it's only innovative to Muse itself - whereas TIRO was innovative in a much broader context. Complexity is often mistaken for innovation (or surprise), although there is some obvious overlap... something really simple but innovative can be initially complex to the listener due to that very fact. All in all, I don't see the point of really trying to make an effort to "move on" as a band, into territory that has long been explored by others... Makes you a cheap copy. What's your point? If you wanna talk about innovative, Madness is a hundred times more innovative than TIRO in my opinion. And I clearly wasn't talking about innovation and I really don't think I mistook (?) the two things. You gave me a reason as to why you don't like madness and, apparently, it's got nothing to do with the song being simple production wise. That's what I was trying to say. I don't think (at least) the majority of the people dislike it because it's simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edeslash Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Madness is a hundred times more innovative than TIRO THIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muse maniac Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 So they wrote a cheesy pop song then stuck in someone else's work? Sounds more like a 10 year old with garage band. I agree with you but I do like I belong to you. I like french cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs MJ Bells Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I love UD but the vocals in Madness (esp toward the end) are pure class. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I agree with you but I do like I belong to you. I like french cheese What I said, I said only with love. It's good, just nothing new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrinking Universe Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 There is remarkable aggression in thread. Calm down people. Of course, you're all correct... with your opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunavi Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I dislike both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi. Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Find them both to be boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 There is remarkable aggression in thread. Calm down people. Of course, you're all correct... with your opinions... Who's being aggressive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrinking Universe Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Who's being aggressive? Didn't want to mention names, but scroll up a bit and there's someone who takes an earlier comment of mine as directed at them personally, and responds with a lot of "you" this, "you" that, "clearly" this, "what's your point?", etc etc etc. Doesn't matter anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Didn't want to mention names, but scroll up a bit and there's someone who takes an earlier comment of mine as directed at them personally, and responds with a lot of "you" this, "you" that, "clearly" this, "what's your point?", etc etc etc. Doesn't matter anyway. um, where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Let it go. Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 UD is so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi of Cydonia Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 I don't mean to squash people's opinions or anything but I hate how so many people on this board are just like: MORE HEAVINESS! EVERYTHING HAS TO BE LOUDER AND ROCK HARD! LIKE DEAD STAR WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE GREATEST MUSE SONG! EW A SONG IS QUIET AND DOESN'T HAVE MUCH GUITAR IN IT! THAT = BORING! (Exaggerating obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people on these boards have those opinions. And that makes me feel sorry for them if they do.) I mean maybe I'm wrong and people have different reasons for disliking Madness, or Undisclosed Desires or quiet Muse songs but it just seems like everyone seems to think that Muse is only good at making loud riff filled epic guitar songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgivera Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I don't mean to squash people's opinions or anything but I hate how so many people on this board are just like: MORE HEAVINESS! EVERYTHING HAS TO BE LOUDER AND ROCK HARD! LIKE DEAD STAR WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE GREATEST MUSE SONG! EW A SONG IS QUIET AND DOESN'T HAVE MUCH GUITAR IN IT! THAT = BORING! (Exaggerating obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people on these boards have those opinions. And that makes me feel sorry for them if they do.) I mean maybe I'm wrong and people have different reasons for disliking Madness, or Undisclosed Desires or quiet Muse songs but it just seems like everyone seems to think that Muse is only good at making loud riff filled epic guitar songs. Be careful, now the trend on the boards is to hate people, who think that people prefer heavy songs to calm songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Live, that IS the case most of the time. For me, slow music has to be twice as good as fast/heavy songs to be interesting live. I've been to loads of gigs where I didn't like the music that much, but it was still enjoyable simply because it was easy to headbang/jump around/dance/mosh to. Slow songs needs something extra to make up for the lack of all of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi of Cydonia Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Live, that IS the case most of the time. For me, slow music has to be twice as fast/heavy songs to be interesting live. I've been to loads of gigs where I didn't like the music that much, but it was still enjoyable simply because it was easy to headbang/jump around/dance/mosh to. Slow songs needs something extra to make up for the lack of all of the above. I respectfully disagree. Last year I went into a Bon Iver show thinking it was going to be kinda boring to listen to/watch live but it really wasn't. All the musicians on stage had absolutely fantastic musicianship and it was to joy just to watch them even if you weren't headbanging/jumping around. Also on one song (The Wolves) there was great crowd interaction singing a part of the song starting very quiet and building up louder and louder. Slow/soft music can definitely be interesting live. I think for a band like Muse, there just has to be a good balance of both kinds of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I respectfully disagree. Last year I went into a Bon Iver show thinking it was going to be kinda boring to listen to/watch live but it really wasn't. All the musicians on stage had absolutely fantastic musicianship and it was to joy just to watch them even if you weren't headbanging/jumping around. Also on one song (The Wolves) there was great crowd interaction singing a part of the song starting very quiet and building up louder and louder. Slow/soft music can definitely be interesting live. I think for a band like Muse, there just has to be a good balance of both kinds of music. I don't think you got what I said at all. EDIT: Which might be because I forgot some words. Edited now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I don't mean to squash people's opinions or anything but I hate how so many people on this board are just like: MORE HEAVINESS! EVERYTHING HAS TO BE LOUDER AND ROCK HARD! LIKE DEAD STAR WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY THE GREATEST MUSE SONG! EW A SONG IS QUIET AND DOESN'T HAVE MUCH GUITAR IN IT! THAT = BORING! (Exaggerating obviously, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people on these boards have those opinions. And that makes me feel sorry for them if they do.) I mean maybe I'm wrong and people have different reasons for disliking Madness, or Undisclosed Desires or quiet Muse songs but it just seems like everyone seems to think that Muse is only good at making loud riff filled epic guitar songs. What? Many people here love soft songs, but that doesn't mean madness will be good live. And what Sippe said is the case for Muse. Their heavier songs are much more fun live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis III Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I certainly agree that heavier =/= better. In terms of studio versions I definitely prefer the quieter, more subdued and/or poppier songs over the heavy/bombastic ones, which often seem too under (or over) produced and lacking the energy and sense of excitement that make the live versions so good. For instance the studio version of Stockholm Syndrome has sounded pretty flat to me ever since I heard it live (which was fucking amazing). I think Madness could actually work quite well in a stadium/arena gig, though I could be totally wrong. I suppose we'll know in about a day's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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