Gem Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 C&P from the other thread... ----- To clarify my thoughts. ____ Perfect. That's exactly how I feel and you wrote is perfectly. Hey at least they've played it, it looks really beautiful but yeah they did promise they would play it in full at some shows let's just hope they do Yeah, its cool they played it... but for when they do play it in full isn't it gonna be gutted for those who only got part one? I'd be gutted personally. I'd rather they didn't play it rather than not playing it in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkle19 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Clunge's post is great. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzie Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 hope i wont be disapointed in dublin reading about the people who where not very happy have not seen them before hope it willl be worth the wait it in the end it will be better for you if you have never seen them before! for those of us who have seem them on a few occasions. its going to be dire hearing those opening piano keys to feeling good.. everyone should boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregon Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 only playing 1 part, without strings sort of kills it though Yeah true. But for me that song is about Matt's voice <3 But yeah, whole symphony plz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoanaBliss Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 this is where Muse fail at being the greatest live band around.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ril Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Nah, it was awesome and went well into Stockholm Syndrome. I am happy that they play it than not playing anything of the Symphony at all. I saw the vid and loved how it mixed into Stocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurophu Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 C&P from the other thread... ----- To clarify my thoughts. Muse have five proper studio albums now giving them a grand total of 57 songs to choose from. Add live favourite b-sides such as: - Dead Star - Fury - The Groove - Forced In - Man Of Mystery - Popcorn - Osaka Jam/Helsinki Jam/Dracula Mountain That's a grand total of over sixty viable songs they COULD play live. Now, I'm not expecting them to dig as depe as rolling out the likes of Sober, Overdue, Screenager, Falling Away With You, etc, but to suggest that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to rehearse songs they have played hundreds of times like Muscle Museum, Bliss, Micro Cuts, Apocalypse Please and Butterflies & Hurricanes and then drop in 2/3 of them per gig is absurd. As for gig length, Muse's gigs on the OoS tour featured anything between 14 and 18 songs, the Absolution tour was usually between 17 and 19 songs (20 on occasions) and the BH&R tour between 16 and 20. When you're charging anything up to £45 for a ticket with a not OVERLY flashy stage show (c'mon, these towers are just screens with a few hydrolics, nout technical), 20 songs has got to be the benchmark at the very minimum. You can't start DECREASING your sets. Setlist order could easily be shaken up for each gig - what's wrong with experimenting? Why always play it safe? Muse have loads of songs that would make great openers and closers - even if they insist upon drawing them from The Resistance, Uprising, Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Overture would all make great openers and I'm sure Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Redemption would make great closers. But why not, I don't know, just for sheer shits and giggles throw a curve ball and open with Apocalypse Please, or Dead Star, or Take A Bow, or Map Of The Problematique? And similarly, why not roll out a classic closing song, Showbiz, Bliss, Stockholm Syndrome? Why not standardise the length of the sets as many bands do to give each city a fair show - Radiohead are a great example. They play a seventeen song main set, a five song encore and then a three song encore. Great, every show gets 25 songs and thanks to the standard length, it's easy to drop songs in and out for each show. Muse could easily do something like this, maybe a 15 song main set, then a three song encore and then a two song encore. Simples. Also, I don't 'buy' the whole 'but we have to tie in with the visuals' argument. Yes, fair dos if you're playing a song that has specific visuals/ideas BUT, surely there are generic visuals/lighting/camerawork that would suffice just as well for songs WITHOUT specific planned visuals? I don't get why visuals require the setlist not to change order either? Surely if each song has its own scheme, they can be played in basically any order they like? They're such simple, basic things that Muse could do to spice up their live shows which are already showing signs of stagnation after just 15 or so shows on this tour. The fact that their idea of bringing back an older song or some such is a tired cover version of Feeling Good is frankly laughable. I'd also love to think they're not pandering to a bland, generalised audience but I can only imagine they are - every show follows the same predictable pattern and contains the same predictable songs. No proper show on the BH&R was without Starlight or Time Is Running Out, and 99% of shows featured Plug In Baby, Feeling Good and Supermassive Black Hole. The fact that this has continued on The Resistance tour seems to underline who they'd chasing these days... Disclaimer: I wouldn't write a post as indepth and long as this is I didn't care about Muse or their live show. I'm still a humongous Muse fanboy at heart but I just can't bare to see them stagnate as they are. I don't care what anyone says but Muse haven't deserved any of their 'best live act' awards since Glastonbury 2004 - I almost get the feeling they've become hugely complacent about their live show in the wake of all the praise they get. A flashy 'show' or 'spectacle' is NOT a replacement for spontenaity and passion which is so desperately lacking these days. I pay £45 to see a fair representation of Muse's back catalogue live, not to see a meagre 17 song setlist with a few bells and whistles. It would take so little for them to do this but it would make such a difference! I cannot emphasise enough just how easy it would to implement this . /end. _______ it's so depressing to agree with this without ever having seeing them, i mean when fans are negative before actually going the next step of fandom and seeing them live it can't be good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Born Lee Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 (Clungerant) As Hopix would say: "This." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrinking Universe Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 C&P from the other thread... ----- To clarify my thoughts. Muse have five proper studio albums now giving them a grand total of 57 songs to choose from. Add live favourite b-sides such as: - Dead Star - Fury - The Groove - Forced In - Man Of Mystery - Popcorn - Osaka Jam/Helsinki Jam/Dracula Mountain That's a grand total of over sixty viable songs they COULD play live. Now, I'm not expecting them to dig as depe as rolling out the likes of Sober, Overdue, Screenager, Falling Away With You, etc, but to suggest that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to rehearse songs they have played hundreds of times like Muscle Museum, Bliss, Micro Cuts, Apocalypse Please and Butterflies & Hurricanes and then drop in 2/3 of them per gig is absurd. As for gig length, Muse's gigs on the OoS tour featured anything between 14 and 18 songs, the Absolution tour was usually between 17 and 19 songs (20 on occasions) and the BH&R tour between 16 and 20. When you're charging anything up to £45 for a ticket with a not OVERLY flashy stage show (c'mon, these towers are just screens with a few hydrolics, nout technical), 20 songs has got to be the benchmark at the very minimum. You can't start DECREASING your sets. Setlist order could easily be shaken up for each gig - what's wrong with experimenting? Why always play it safe? Muse have loads of songs that would make great openers and closers - even if they insist upon drawing them from The Resistance, Uprising, Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Overture would all make great openers and I'm sure Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Redemption would make great closers. But why not, I don't know, just for sheer shits and giggles throw a curve ball and open with Apocalypse Please, or Dead Star, or Take A Bow, or Map Of The Problematique? And similarly, why not roll out a classic closing song, Showbiz, Bliss, Stockholm Syndrome? Why not standardise the length of the sets as many bands do to give each city a fair show - Radiohead are a great example. They play a seventeen song main set, a five song encore and then a three song encore. Great, every show gets 25 songs and thanks to the standard length, it's easy to drop songs in and out for each show. Muse could easily do something like this, maybe a 15 song main set, then a three song encore and then a two song encore. Simples. Also, I don't 'buy' the whole 'but we have to tie in with the visuals' argument. Yes, fair dos if you're playing a song that has specific visuals/ideas BUT, surely there are generic visuals/lighting/camerawork that would suffice just as well for songs WITHOUT specific planned visuals? I don't get why visuals require the setlist not to change order either? Surely if each song has its own scheme, they can be played in basically any order they like? They're such simple, basic things that Muse could do to spice up their live shows which are already showing signs of stagnation after just 15 or so shows on this tour. The fact that their idea of bringing back an older song or some such is a tired cover version of Feeling Good is frankly laughable. I'd also love to think they're not pandering to a bland, generalised audience but I can only imagine they are - every show follows the same predictable pattern and contains the same predictable songs. No proper show on the BH&R was without Starlight or Time Is Running Out, and 99% of shows featured Plug In Baby, Feeling Good and Supermassive Black Hole. The fact that this has continued on The Resistance tour seems to underline who they'd chasing these days... Disclaimer: I wouldn't write a post as indepth and long as this is I didn't care about Muse or their live show. I'm still a humongous Muse fanboy at heart but I just can't bare to see them stagnate as they are. I don't care what anyone says but Muse haven't deserved any of their 'best live act' awards since Glastonbury 2004 - I almost get the feeling they've become hugely complacent about their live show in the wake of all the praise they get. A flashy 'show' or 'spectacle' is NOT a replacement for spontenaity and passion which is so desperately lacking these days. I pay £45 to see a fair representation of Muse's back catalogue live, not to see a meagre 17 song setlist with a few bells and whistles. It would take so little for them to do this but it would make such a difference! I cannot emphasise enough just how easy it would to implement this . /end. _______ I suggest to keep quoting this until the thread reaches 10000 posts. Then call it a petition and send it to Kirk. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sappy Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I got the impression MUSE view touring as a quick way to earn money these days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazzie Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Perfect. That's exactly how I feel and you wrote is perfectly. Yeah, its cool they played it... but for when they do play it in full isn't it gonna be gutted for those who only got part one? I'd be gutted personally. I'd rather they didn't play it rather than not playing it in full. you think they had maybe got the tiny message with the constant @playescapelive no as normal, they know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Fuck it, whilst I'm on it... Not only are the setlists exactly the same these days, these so called 'jams' and 'riffs' are EXACTLY the same at every show as well. They can't even jam with any spontenaity any more :'(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I suggest to keep quoting this until the thread reaches 10000 posts. Then call it a petition and send it to Kirk. Again. Hence I think we should write an open letter to Muse. If anyone wants to mash my post into something worth sending, go ahead . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkadelic Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Normally I don't get the moaning over setlists, but I'm afraid I agree with you all. Epic post, Clunge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkle19 Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hence I think we should write an open letter to Muse. If anyone wants to mash my post into something worth sending, go ahead . Your post is utterly perfect as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoanaBliss Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 C&P from the other thread... ----- To clarify my thoughts. Muse have five proper studio albums now giving them a grand total of 57 songs to choose from. Add live favourite b-sides such as: - Dead Star - Fury - The Groove - Forced In - Man Of Mystery - Popcorn - Osaka Jam/Helsinki Jam/Dracula Mountain That's a grand total of over sixty viable songs they COULD play live. Now, I'm not expecting them to dig as depe as rolling out the likes of Sober, Overdue, Screenager, Falling Away With You, etc, but to suggest that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to rehearse songs they have played hundreds of times like Muscle Museum, Bliss, Micro Cuts, Apocalypse Please and Butterflies & Hurricanes and then drop in 2/3 of them per gig is absurd. As for gig length, Muse's gigs on the OoS tour featured anything between 14 and 18 songs, the Absolution tour was usually between 17 and 19 songs (20 on occasions) and the BH&R tour between 16 and 20. When you're charging anything up to £45 for a ticket with a not OVERLY flashy stage show (c'mon, these towers are just screens with a few hydrolics, nout technical), 20 songs has got to be the benchmark at the very minimum. You can't start DECREASING your sets. Setlist order could easily be shaken up for each gig - what's wrong with experimenting? Why always play it safe? Muse have loads of songs that would make great openers and closers - even if they insist upon drawing them from The Resistance, Uprising, Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Overture would all make great openers and I'm sure Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Redemption would make great closers. But why not, I don't know, just for sheer shits and giggles throw a curve ball and open with Apocalypse Please, or Dead Star, or Take A Bow, or Map Of The Problematique? And similarly, why not roll out a classic closing song, Showbiz, Bliss, Stockholm Syndrome? Why not standardise the length of the sets as many bands do to give each city a fair show - Radiohead are a great example. They play a seventeen song main set, a five song encore and then a three song encore. Great, every show gets 25 songs and thanks to the standard length, it's easy to drop songs in and out for each show. Muse could easily do something like this, maybe a 15 song main set, then a three song encore and then a two song encore. Simples. Also, I don't 'buy' the whole 'but we have to tie in with the visuals' argument. Yes, fair dos if you're playing a song that has specific visuals/ideas BUT, surely there are generic visuals/lighting/camerawork that would suffice just as well for songs WITHOUT specific planned visuals? I don't get why visuals require the setlist not to change order either? Surely if each song has its own scheme, they can be played in basically any order they like? They're such simple, basic things that Muse could do to spice up their live shows which are already showing signs of stagnation after just 15 or so shows on this tour. The fact that their idea of bringing back an older song or some such is a tired cover version of Feeling Good is frankly laughable. I'd also love to think they're not pandering to a bland, generalised audience but I can only imagine they are - every show follows the same predictable pattern and contains the same predictable songs. No proper show on the BH&R was without Starlight or Time Is Running Out, and 99% of shows featured Plug In Baby, Feeling Good and Supermassive Black Hole. The fact that this has continued on The Resistance tour seems to underline who they'd chasing these days... Disclaimer: I wouldn't write a post as indepth and long as this is I didn't care about Muse or their live show. I'm still a humongous Muse fanboy at heart but I just can't bare to see them stagnate as they are. I don't care what anyone says but Muse haven't deserved any of their 'best live act' awards since Glastonbury 2004 - I almost get the feeling they've become hugely complacent about their live show in the wake of all the praise they get. A flashy 'show' or 'spectacle' is NOT a replacement for spontenaity and passion which is so desperately lacking these days. I pay £45 to see a fair representation of Muse's back catalogue live, not to see a meagre 17 song setlist with a few bells and whistles. It would take so little for them to do this but it would make such a difference! I cannot emphasise enough just how easy it would to implement this . /end. _______ well written how do we make this an official doc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gem Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 you think they had maybe got the tiny message with the constant @playescapelive no as normal, they know better. I know. It's so annoying that that campaign has done nothing. The band are aware of the playescapelive campaign and its not effected them at all. Even if they didn;t play escape, you;d have thought they might get the message about a shake up or older songs want to be played. But, no. Fuck it, whilst I'm on it... Not only are the setlists exactly the same these days, these so called 'jams' and 'riffs' are EXACTLY the same at every show as well. They can't even jam with any spontenaity any more :'(. This highly annoys me aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepybear Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 even though people have said it before, radiohead are the perfect example of a good balanced live band. they play good lengthy sets with good variation while having a sexy stage show (which i prefer over the pictures i have seen of muses new one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurophu Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Fuck it, whilst I'm on it... Not only are the setlists exactly the same these days, these so called 'jams' and 'riffs' are EXACTLY the same at every show as well. They can't even jam with any spontenaity any more :'(. yes! that's always seemed strange to me.. they're not really jams so much as little mini filler songs.. awesome as they are.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idiot Drugs Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Kev should put that as one of those Messages that drop down from the top of the page every time you visit the forum unless you click to get rid of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shrinking Universe Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Hence I think we should write an open letter to Muse. If anyone wants to mash my post into something worth sending, go ahead . I fully agree! Something slightly more substantial than Twitter spamming;) Only thing is... I don't have the time to do it properly atm. And it should be done properly, otherwise it won't be going anywhere. Also, it shouldn't insult them too much;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassDementia Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 C&P from the other thread... ----- To clarify my thoughts. Muse have five proper studio albums now giving them a grand total of 57 songs to choose from. Add live favourite b-sides such as: - Dead Star - Fury - The Groove - Forced In - Man Of Mystery - Popcorn - Osaka Jam/Helsinki Jam/Dracula Mountain That's a grand total of over sixty viable songs they COULD play live. Now, I'm not expecting them to dig as depe as rolling out the likes of Sober, Overdue, Screenager, Falling Away With You, etc, but to suggest that it would be IMPOSSIBLE to rehearse songs they have played hundreds of times like Muscle Museum, Bliss, Micro Cuts, Apocalypse Please and Butterflies & Hurricanes and then drop in 2/3 of them per gig is absurd. As for gig length, Muse's gigs on the OoS tour featured anything between 14 and 18 songs, the Absolution tour was usually between 17 and 19 songs (20 on occasions) and the BH&R tour between 16 and 20. When you're charging anything up to £45 for a ticket with a not OVERLY flashy stage show (c'mon, these towers are just screens with a few hydrolics, nout technical), 20 songs has got to be the benchmark at the very minimum. You can't start DECREASING your sets. Setlist order could easily be shaken up for each gig - what's wrong with experimenting? Why always play it safe? Muse have loads of songs that would make great openers and closers - even if they insist upon drawing them from The Resistance, Uprising, Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Overture would all make great openers and I'm sure Unnatural Selection, MK Ultra and Redemption would make great closers. But why not, I don't know, just for sheer shits and giggles throw a curve ball and open with Apocalypse Please, or Dead Star, or Take A Bow, or Map Of The Problematique? And similarly, why not roll out a classic closing song, Showbiz, Bliss, Stockholm Syndrome? Why not standardise the length of the sets as many bands do to give each city a fair show - Radiohead are a great example. They play a seventeen song main set, a five song encore and then a three song encore. Great, every show gets 25 songs and thanks to the standard length, it's easy to drop songs in and out for each show. Muse could easily do something like this, maybe a 15 song main set, then a three song encore and then a two song encore. Simples. Also, I don't 'buy' the whole 'but we have to tie in with the visuals' argument. Yes, fair dos if you're playing a song that has specific visuals/ideas BUT, surely there are generic visuals/lighting/camerawork that would suffice just as well for songs WITHOUT specific planned visuals? I don't get why visuals require the setlist not to change order either? Surely if each song has its own scheme, they can be played in basically any order they like? They're such simple, basic things that Muse could do to spice up their live shows which are already showing signs of stagnation after just 15 or so shows on this tour. The fact that their idea of bringing back an older song or some such is a tired cover version of Feeling Good is frankly laughable. I'd also love to think they're not pandering to a bland, generalised audience but I can only imagine they are - every show follows the same predictable pattern and contains the same predictable songs. No proper show on the BH&R was without Starlight or Time Is Running Out, and 99% of shows featured Plug In Baby, Feeling Good and Supermassive Black Hole. The fact that this has continued on The Resistance tour seems to underline who they'd chasing these days... Disclaimer: I wouldn't write a post as indepth and long as this is I didn't care about Muse or their live show. I'm still a humongous Muse fanboy at heart but I just can't bare to see them stagnate as they are. I don't care what anyone says but Muse haven't deserved any of their 'best live act' awards since Glastonbury 2004 - I almost get the feeling they've become hugely complacent about their live show in the wake of all the praise they get. A flashy 'show' or 'spectacle' is NOT a replacement for spontenaity and passion which is so desperately lacking these days. I pay £45 to see a fair representation of Muse's back catalogue live, not to see a meagre 17 song setlist with a few bells and whistles. It would take so little for them to do this but it would make such a difference! I cannot emphasise enough just how easy it would to implement this . /end. _______ *Applauds* Post of the year by Clunge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozza Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 you think they had maybe got the tiny message with the constant @playescapelive no as normal, they know better. Escape is no where near my favourite song even on Showbiz, but if they played it then it would signal that they at least recognise not every fan at their shows got into them through BHaR/The Resistance/Obvious Singles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meep Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I got the impression MUSE view touring as a quick way to earn money these days.. Aww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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