Jobby Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) So, looking at past album releases and what Matt’s said recently, I’m wondering if this is what a v rough roadmap to release looks like: August - Something Human (Acoustic), maybe as a lyric video on YT September - Album title, artwork, tracklist, pre-orders + this electro rock Map song as a pre-order bonus October - Pressure released as last single, small gigs announced November - Album release, US tour dates announced Still find it strange that they don’t have a tour to immediately jump into once the album’s out...and only ‘a couple’ of small gigs? Even if you assume Matt’s underestimating and it’s something more Psycho tour sized, that still seems like a kinda barren gigging window until spring. Edited July 21, 2018 by Jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Still find it strange that they don’t have a tour to immediately jump into once the album’s out... Maybe they want to take their time and make sure all the props and gimmicks work properly before planning the big tour this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Tbh I don’t really see/hear BH&R 2. Seems v rooted in being accessible, whether it’s pop or rock, no sniff of any prog and iirc Matt confirmed that was the case in that Zane Lowe interview a few months ago. I feel more links to T2L if we have to connect any dots, in fact I think Matt might’ve directly compared it to that in the same interview. BHAR isn't exactly prog, either, apart from Hoodoo, KoC and TaB, and has a lot of accessible songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) BHAR isn't exactly prog, either, apart from Hoodoo, KoC and TaB, and has a lot of accessible songs. Prog’s a broad term but Knights, Hoodoo, TAB, Invincible, Map, COD and Assassin could all fall under it’s umbrella, which is 7/11 tracks. It’s reasonable to say it’s a significant enough thread through the album imo and, from what we know so far, won’t be on this one. Edited July 22, 2018 by Jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Prog’s a broad term but Knights, Hoodoo, TAB, Invincible, Map, COD and Assassin could all fall under it’s umbrella, which is 7/11 tracks. It’s reasonable to say it’s a significant enough thread through the album imo and, from what we know so far, won’t be on this one. Because of some sound choices, yeah, but what about structures? BHAR features some of the most structurally conventional or repetitive songs in Muse catalogue, and Starlight, SMBH, MOTP, Invincible, Assassin, Exo-Politics, CoD definitively falls into those families. Starlight basically repeats itself after the first "Our hopes and expectations..." section with exception of another chorus before it, and has no solo; SMBH it's basically a classic verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-solo-chorus; MOTP repeats its parts exactly in the same sequence with the exception of a double final chorus; Invincible is almost the same as SMBH; Assassin (in its official album version) is the most repetitive of all of them (intro-verse-chorus, rinse and repeat); if Exo-Politics hadn't a solo it would be basically the same as MOTP; For CoD, cue in the same as SMBH. Talking about unconventional and proggish structures, the Muse albums who features them the most are Showbiz, OOS and... The Resistance. Heck, The Resistance is perhaps the album with the largest amount of unconventional song structures in proportion to its total amount of tracks, and the nearest to old style prog rock regarding influences in sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Not to shoot down a long response with a short answer but...it’s kinda irrelevant. All I’m saying is that prog is an important part of that album’s DNA, whether it’s ‘sound choices’ in one song or structure in another or both or more/less prevalent here/there, etc. We haven’t got LP8 yet but, by the sound of it, that won’t be the case on this, which is why I don’t really see the comparison. The only real through line to Black Holes I see atm is maybe some of the light ‘spacey’ elements? Even that’s not really specific to that album, but particularly present I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian-Cygnus-Running-Out Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Because of some sound choices, yeah, but what about structures? BHAR features some of the most structurally conventional or repetitive songs in Muse catalogue, and Starlight, SMBH, MOTP, Invincible, Assassin, Exo-Politics, CoD definitively falls into those families. Starlight basically repeats itself after the first "Our hopes and expectations..." section with exception of another chorus before it, and has no solo; SMBH it's basically a classic verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-solo-chorus; MOTP repeats its parts exactly in the same sequence with the exception of a double final chorus; Invincible is almost the same as SMBH; Assassin (in its official album version) is the most repetitive of all of them (intro-verse-chorus, rinse and repeat); if Exo-Politics hadn't a solo it would be basically the same as MOTP; For CoD, cue in the same as SMBH. Talking about unconventional and proggish structures, the Muse albums who features them the most are Showbiz, OOS and... The Resistance. Heck, The Resistance is perhaps the album with the largest amount of unconventional song structures in proportion to its total amount of tracks, and the nearest to old style prog rock regarding influences in sound. TR is def the proggiest Muse album, for the record. Even Yes don't have a 15 minute space rock symphony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 TR is def the proggiest Muse album, for the record. Even Yes don't have a 15 minute space rock symphony. Yes they do, they have multiple - Close To The Edge, The Gates Of Delirium, Tales From Topographic Oceans (in full). Also, TR Muse's proggiest album? Really? I'd say it's almost their least proggy album. Concept album =/= prog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian-Cygnus-Running-Out Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Yes they do, they have multiple - Close To The Edge, The Gates Of Delirium, Tales From Topographic Oceans (in full). Also, TR Muse's proggiest album? Really? I'd say it's almost their least proggy album. Concept album =/= prog. Not what I meant by symphony. I meant with an orchestra. Yes were very symphonic, but created that sound with rock instrumentation. I don't see how anything with USoE, IBTY, and Exogenesis could be considered close to their least proggy album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartianSpaghettiRider Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Not to shoot down a long response with a short answer but...it’s kinda irrelevant. All I’m saying is that prog is an important part of that album’s DNA, whether it’s ‘sound choices’ in one song or structure in another or both or more/less prevalent here/there, etc. We haven’t got LP8 yet but, by the sound of it, that won’t be the case on this, which is why I don’t really see the comparison. The only real through line to Black Holes I see atm is maybe some of the light ‘spacey’ elements? Even that’s not really specific to that album, but particularly present I guess. That's the thing: BHAR overall sound is more "spacey" than prog, and while it has some elements that could remind of prog, it doesn't have that many prog influences. KoC, instead, is indeed influenced by prog-like or filmic compositions and acts, like Rush's 2112. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) That's the thing: BHAR overall sound is more "spacey" than prog, and while it has some elements that could remind of prog, it doesn't have that many prog influences. KoC, instead, is indeed influenced by prog-like or filmic compositions and acts, like Rush's 2112. I don’t get what you’re digging at BH&R is a bunch of stuff, whether it’s slightly more of one thing or another isn’t what I’m saying. One of its most important elements is prog, which doesn’t sound like it will be the case on this album atm so I don’t see how it could be ‘BH&R 2’ as things stand. It only really seems to share one standout trait with that record from what I can tell and that’s a light tinge of its space rock/pop, which I love but it’s not enough to make it a direct relative imo, considering that’s not even a Black Holes exclusive thing. Anyway, by all accounts, LP8’s gonna be its own thing and I like that. I drew a comparison to T2L but mainly just for the attitude in their approach, which is what Matt meant as well when he said the same iirc. Edited July 22, 2018 by Jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Btw since people were doing it before: 1. Something Human 2. Thought Contagion 3. Dig Down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian-Cygnus-Running-Out Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Btw since people were doing it before: 1. Something Human 2. Thought Contagion 3. Dig Down same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Also same tbh. This album is gonna be really good guys, trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 And regarding the previous discussion: This album felt a lot like T2L 2.0 to me, but honestly I feel like these songs are connected through soundscape a lot more than T2L. They all have clear 80s influences and a focus on synth (or synth-like) melodies. By the sounds of it at least two more tracks will follow this theme, and even that is enough to have a more coherent album than T2L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginOfAbso Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I agree with that ranking as well. Something Human has quickly grown on me and I hear a lot of really good things in it. And I do love that synth bridge. I just wish, once again, that's Matt's vocals/some lyrics weren't so in your face. The beginning of the song is pretty bad imo, but it gets better. With this album, at this point I'm just hoping for 3 songs I consider truly great and no more than 2 songs I consider truly awful. The rest need to at least be mostly decent to good. So far there are 0 truly great songs and 1 truly horrible song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I wonder if this video story will ever cycle back to Dig Down's narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panikstacey Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 November 2018, lads. November 2018. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I can. In fact, I’ll happily wait until November 2021 if it means DD and TC not appearing on a Muse album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmallPrint02 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 The reason why there's no word on a tour is because Chris is still in recovery. Healing from a hip operation can take several months. What would y'all prefer: An actual proper gig except delayed until 2019, or a rushed gig in a few months time without Chris at all. Patience everyone. Good things come to those who wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisF Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I don’t think anyone’s mentioned a tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) Well, he said he’d be out of football for 4/5 months back in late June, which means he should be fit around November/December. Football’s also a strenuous activity, so if he takes it easy he may well be okay to play a couple of shows slightly earlier. Granted, I’m not a doctor and have never had surgery but I’m sure he’ll have medical advise and, if they’re already talking about playing small shows around release, they must be expecting him to be available. If not, Morgan’s filled in fine before tbf. Although, yeah, no one on here’s been impatient for a tour or gig news Edited July 26, 2018 by Jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmallPrint02 Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I don’t think anyone’s mentioned a tour Someone further up asked about why they aren't doing a tour right after the album's release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopix Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I can. In fact, I’ll happily wait until November 2021 if it means DD and TC not appearing on a Muse album. I'm down for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Actually need Map 2 and Algorithm in my life rfn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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