FabriPav Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Ironic because I have a terrible sunburn. It's made me immobile. Obviously, I knew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HannahG123 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Ironic because I have a terrible sunburn. It's made me immobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furygirl Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 This thread's getting a bit snipey, y'all. Please try to argue more politely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Do you actually know this girl or are you following her simply because she has had something to do with a member of Muse? Not trying to be harsh or anything, I'm genuinely curious. That's sneaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 This thread's getting a bit snipey, y'all. Please try to argue more politely. I think it's been pretty polite. No harm intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Good point I vow not to sit at my first muse concert I did, at it was a baaaad move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeboer01 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I did, at it was a baaaad move At lots of the arena concerts I've been to, the chair simply becomes something to stand on so you can see better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kati Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I still want to know what's disgusting about going to several gigs. Try reading this again. I replaced word creepy with disgusting for you. Could have also used words weird or silly. when people start spending considerable amounts of money and time and then get disappointed when all that effort does not give expected breath taking experience, it is disgusting. Disgusting because such people put too much expectations to something which is after all three guys playing songs we all know on stage, some fancy laser lights and videos and tens of thousands of people getting uncomfortably packed together watching the show. And with this I'm done with Dee's problems. Don't want to spend more time argueing about it. so basically keti's idea is going on holiday to a different country and see Muse is obsessive and creepy but writing belldom slash fic is perfectly normal? ok.. That's not what I've said. I've said we all do obsessive things. Whether that is fanfic, using silly amounts of time and money for entertainment spectacle or meeting some famous people shortly, tweeting like crazy, you name it. About all the issues have been declared perfectly normal by at least one person in this thread, while in my opinion none of it is perfectly normal. Yes, I believe that it's up to any parent to decide when and where to talk about their children. How would you like it if men with large cameras started taking pictures of your children in the park? Sure there are quite a few who earn ridiculous amounts of money but how leisurely do you think it's promoting a new film or album? Or how much fun it is having to maintain a ridiculously thin figure because otherwise you get targeted as a fat fuck by the media. (Doesn't justify the millions some make no, who knows, maybe you can see it as a compensation for having to jump through hoops not having everything you do be captured on film) How does mentioning a child in an interview justify someone taking pictures of them? It's about boundaries and paps don't have them. People shouldn't have to go through such lengths just because a few idiots wants to see such pictures. It's not about justifications. It's about using their private life issues, like children, to generate likeable and relatable public image in interviews, which then generates interest in parts of the general public into those private life issues, which in turn generates market for the papped pictures. The interest dies away in a few years (my guestimation) if the celebrity stops doing such interviews. They want to generate the likeable, relatable public image because that makes fans want to see the films. If an actor has strong enough image to draw people with just his/her reputation to watch the film, the actor gets much larger paycheck (and is called A-list btw). So they do this stuff for money. The pap pics alone also strengthen their image, it's not just negative phenomenon for the celebs. One of the negativity factors, I've understood, is that they do not earn a dime from papped pics. If you want to keep your family out of the media, you can't mention them, ever. That's a fact. What is is NOT though is an excuse, or a way to blame it on the celebrity. It's like blaming theft on the victim for exposing his valuables. Sorry but in my general human experience people exposing their valuables (I assume you mean being sloppy with them) do not get the normal sympathy for victims. For example insurances do not compensate. I don't care whether the pap action is justified or not. It's not illegal. The celebrities know for sure the process I described above, and go for it - despite their families not liking it, because of their greed, whatever. Then they whine about harassing paps. I still have absolutely no f***ing sympathy for them. And with this I'm done with the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Try reading this again. I replaced word creepy with disgusting for you. Could have also used words weird or silly. And with this I'm done with Dee's problems. Don't want to spend more time argueing about it. They are spending their money on entertainment. If you go to the movies 9 times a year and see 9 shitty movies, you will complain about the degradation of the quality of major Hollywood films. Doesn't make them weird/disgusting/weird/silly. Sorry but in my general human experience people exposing their valuables (I assume you mean being sloppy with them) do not get the normal sympathy for victims. For example insurances do not compensate. He didn't mean sloppy. Just because you have something, doesn't make it your fault when you lose/get it stolen/or stalked for having it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Try reading this again. I replaced word creepy with disgusting for you. Could have also used words weird or silly.I suggest you try reading my posts again, because first of all, if you think playing more than 15 songs a night and keeping a promise they made to the fans(polls) is too high expectations, I'd say that you're quite weird. Also wondering how the hell you missed this post... Just read this and, what? These people should have better things to do with their time and money than to spend it on things they enjoy? Oh I bet your life is one big fight for efficiency. May I ask what you suggest that these people do with the money that they earn? Not that I'd think you'd have an open mind enough to actually consider what rasonable expectations are btw. But one could try. Sorry but in my general human experience people exposing their valuables (I assume you mean being sloppy with them) do not get the normal sympathy for victims. For example insurances do not compensate. I don't care whether the pap action is justified or not. It's not illegal. The celebrities know for sure the process I described above, and go for it - despite their families not liking it, because of their greed, whatever. Then they whine about harassing paps. I still have absolutely no f***ing sympathy for them. And with this I'm done with the subject. It's amazing how you could miss the point with such a wide distance. Also amazing how you come into this thread basically calling everyone disgusting weirdos, then when you are met with counter-points, you don't want to discuss it. Well tough for you, but if you wanna avoid looking like an idiot, I suggest you do. And if you don't care what we think, I wonder why you even posted in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 What you've basically said is that celebrities have it coming because all of them(even though you didn't specifically say all of them you never made a distinction) invite them with open arms when they can gain from it. This WOULD be a valid argument....if it was actually true, and wasn't just relevant to certain celebrities. And then that going to loads of gigs is weird and wrong because people should have better things to spend their time and money on. Why won't we just make you queen of the world, then you can decide over everyone and no one will waste their money on such trivial things as entertainment anymore. And finally that it's disgusting how we are disappointed by Muse when we have too high expectations of a 3 piece band. After all they're only human. Well, I guess that means Radiohead aren't human, since they seem to do all the things we expect from Muse(a band who is supposed to be one of the best in the world). A reasonable amount of songs(not 15-16 songs for an arena gig), a reasonable amount of variety(not switching places between songs in the setlists) and hell, they can even throw in some rare songs for the fans that appreciate it. Quite simply, what the hell are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_writer Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I applaud you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 And with this I'm done with Dee's problems. Don't want to spend more time argueing about it. Good. As always your posts have been nothing but complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilly Posted June 3, 2012 Author Share Posted June 3, 2012 I applaud you. We need an applause smiley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond_writer Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 We need an applause smiley. Yes, yes we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 At lots of the arena concerts I've been to, the chair simply becomes something to stand on so you can see better. lol, the chairs were so steep that if you tried to stand up you'd fall off the ledge What you've basically said is that celebrities have it coming because all of them(even though you didn't specifically say all of them you never made a distinction) invite them with open arms when they can gain from it. This WOULD be a valid argument....if it was actually true, and wasn't just relevant to certain celebrities. And then that going to loads of gigs is weird and wrong because people should have better things to spend their time and money on. Why won't we just make you queen of the world, then you can decide over everyone and no one will waste their money on such trivial things as entertainment anymore. And finally that it's disgusting how we are disappointed by Muse when we have too high expectations of a 3 piece band. After all they're only human. Well, I guess that means Radiohead aren't human, since they seem to do all the things we expect from Muse(a band who is supposed to be one of the best in the world). A reasonable amount of songs(not 15-16 songs for an arena gig), a reasonable amount of variety(not switching places between songs in the setlists) and hell, they can even throw in some rare songs for the fans that appreciate it. Quite simply, what the hell are you on about? There's no applause emote, as previously stated, so this will have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HannahG123 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I did, at it was a baaaad move And I should really remove my tag now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 And I should really remove my tag now which part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Feels weird to be on the "people's" side of the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Feels weird to be on the "people's" side of the argument. Think about how much that says of Kati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I think that what Kati has tried to explain here, is a view that it is silly when people don't learn from their experiences, in that fans go to lots and lots of gigs, more than the average fan, to a point that means following the band around the world, don't enjoy them, make clear how much they don't enjoy them, but still go to lots and lots more, and continue complaining. Yet fans who do this seem unable to recognise this inconsistency themselves, see themselves as above criticism, and spend their time ridiculing others for their failings. It's not creepy as such, perhaps it's unhealthy for that particular person. "Creepy" or "disgusting" might not be exactly the right words to use, I'm not sure, maybe Kati does mean "disgusting". It's not a word I would use myself, but it is understandable for someone who is not speaking in their first language to use unusual terms. Saying that, for the record, I do think it is creepy to communicate with anyone remotely connected to the band in an attempt to find snippets of information. I also think pornographic fanfics are creepy. I also think that paps must be annoying. Also, for the record, expressing excitement about the band, being passionate about what they do, and defending them against being slagged off is perhaps unwise on this site, something I have learnt myself, though I would argue with it being creepy, even if it is oversensitive at times. Saying I would argue with it, incidentally, doesn't mean that I will. I have learnt how much fun people having arguing here but personally I don't find it fun and I'd rather do things I enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 For some reason I'm not surprised that CarrieB is defending Kati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I think that what Kati has tried to explain here, is a view that it is silly when people don't learn from their experiences, in that fans go to lots and lots of gigs, more than the average fan, to a point that means following the band around the world, don't enjoy them, make clear how much they don't enjoy them, but still go to lots and lots more, and continue complaining. Yet fans who do this seem unable to recognise this inconsistency themselves, see themselves as above criticism, and spend their time ridiculing others for their failings. I can't think of a single person who fits this description though, so not sure who it would be an argument against. And no, she has specifically said that the problem is people spending their time and money to see Muse, and that they could spend it on other things. When she's said this she has in no way implied that she's talking about people going to lots of gigs despite not liking it, so I'm not sure why we would assume that. Especially not when no one actually has. And Carrie, if you would think a bit further than just defending Kati, you would maybe realise that gigs, planes and hotels are booked BEFORE going to the gigs, and the ability to cancel them all without losing the money in the process would be close to impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HannahG123 Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 which part? The one about 'no arguments we must be ill' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-museing Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Being a fangirl is 100 times more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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