Tilly Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 That reminds me of the woman who wished death upon people who suggested that Muse should split. That post was just a goldmine for crazy. I have to read it now Title? And thanks for the what-to-expect threads! ETA: I don't like the term 'real fan' either. It implies that the others are 'fake fans', even if they're actually overzealous, and it smacks of elitist bullshit whether or not that was how it was meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I have to read it now Title? Pretty sure it was removed, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilly Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 Oh. Bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 The thing is that most fangirls/boys avoid this forum nowadays. The general opinion of the muse board is that it's filled with bitter haters who will tear you apart for liking Muse. ie job well done guys, job well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 The thing is that most fangirls/boys avoid this forum nowadays. The general opinion of the muse board is that it's filled with bitter haters who will tear you apart for liking Muse. ie job well done guys, job well done. I think you should give yourself a pat on the back for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I think you should give yourself a pat on the back for that.Well I'm not the one to brag but....yeah, a statue wouldn't be too much to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kati Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Sorry a bit late back on this... Even though it's a bit over the top, I think it's fine if someone wants to spend every waking moment listening to Muse, pastes posters all over their walls, goes to 30 gigs on one tour, etc... It's the person that pushes the line with attempting band interaction that is over the line imo. Like the people that used to post on Matt's MySpace page. Good god, man! And the people that obsessively tweet, trying to get a response but are really just probably annoying Tom or Chris. Personally I would probably be too shy to actually approach them in public. Depending on the circumstances, I might do it, but some people go too far. Congratulations for perfectly swallowing the perfect money source i.e. consumer profile. You are welcome to use all your money for the band, but don't dream of anything which doesn't provide money for the industry, like to have a chat with those nice guys who talk about interesting things in the interviews. (I have to give credit to Muse guys that they seem to be okay with having such chats with the fans). Don't you see that the tendency to want to personally know the band is encouraged by the promotional work? Why do you think they talk about their private lives in interviews? Why do you think Matt talked about conspiracy theories and stuff (which he abandoned on TR era?) Because he was so infatuated about that stuff that he couldn't keep his mouth shut? Come on. It was all about making a good story. Playing music because that's the only thing that he can do so well that it offers him a career wouldn't have been too interesting. Half of the fans wouldn't understand/would be bored if he just talked about music and how they create it, chords and majors and minors and music theory etc, so that's not too interesting either. I don't actually think doing obsessive stuff like travelling to another country and spending a day waiting in order to meet band members is okay, rather I find people doing that pretty weird, and they should have better things to do with their time and money, but I really do not accept people saying it's creepy violation of privacy and those people do that because they lack basic understanding of manners, or that they don't see there is a limit on what you can do. I'd rather say they are more vulnerable victims to a system that encourages such things. Why is going to multiple gigs on a tour creepy? You could call it an obsession maybe, but surely not creepy? Creepy is when you write what is practically porn about two band members, follow their family members and stylists on Twitter, stalk them in person etc. Here I give you some credit. I don't think I used the word "creepy" in the correct way. Would you like more expressions like obsessive in unhealthy way, silly, or pathetic? Okay, I only got one thing from your post, and it's that you know nothing. Why has my opinion of the gigs lost all credibility? Because you happen to disagree with me? Like Simon said, expecting them to keep promises and to play a reasonable amount of songs is NOT having too high expectations. It's having reasonable expectations for a band who are, supposedly, the best live band in the world. I didn't realise that those few lines are too much for your intellectual capabilities, sorry. Maybe you should try to read my text again. You know the idea of a band touring is that the band goes to different regions to play their show, which, I think people agree should offer the same highlights everywhere to not put people in different regions in unequal position, and in order to make it interesting for themselves, maybe include some differences. The idea is not that the fans tour for the band and the band performs a different gig every time for those few who have the time and money to tour with them. To assume that the band serves for this tiny group of people is, umm, entitled, weird, disgusting, pathetic... Pick your favourite word. There is a difference in choosing what information you cant to convey to your audience and the audience just deciding they have the right to take that information. There is a difference in <famouspersonwithkid> saying 'aww <kid> so cute and funny; she faceplanted in her food and let out a massive fart' and a paparazzo taking a picture of that child outside the school gates, or follow the children around the park to get a picture of them eating ice cream. So you think the celebrities should be entitled to decide when and where they gush how wonderful their children are, and collect their enormous checks for relatively easy work playing themselves for the camera and doing a few interviews? Sorry I would think that for their millions they should work harder. I actually think the film industry thinks in the same way, because it hasn't required any legislation to protect celebrities' children. In any case, paps come with the business (these btw are words of Adam Lambert, not mine) and if a celebrity wants to protect his/her children he/she better not talk about them in public - I'm quite sure there are other things to do as well (letting a nanny to take the child through an airport separately would be one I think). I wish I could ban the word creepy from this thread it is being misused so much. I do think it's weird when people tweet people loosely connected with the band (girlfriends, family, etc) EVERY time they tweet. For example say X friend of the band said 'just bought a puppy' crazy fangirl/boy replies with 'Oooh what puppy what kind?' when actually they are not genuinely interested in the puppy but just want to say 'i got a reply from matts brothers sons school teacher'. These people will know why they are getting all this attention and it can't be a good feeling. It's different if you are asking them about the band directly, yes this is obsessive but at least you are not trying to hide your reason of tweeting these people. It's one of the reasons why I deleted my twitter account, in fear of being caught up in it and being disgusted by the number of fans I followed who constantly did it. I think you are right about creepy and what you describe is quite disgusting I agree, but I still can't stand the smug satisfaction of quite many people on this thread saying that "I'm not creepy, those others are". You are not innocent either Hannah with your post on Matt's love life. Well, I think that's a very simplified answer. I think it's more complex than that. We should ask why tabloids exist in the first place. I do believe that "celebrity culture" is celebrated by movie producers. The more exposure their "star" has, the more draw they'll have at the box office. The more stars get their mug plastered over the tabloids, the more it promotes their "brand". Some movie stars do a fine job staying out of the tabloids. Now how and why is that? I guess people on Muse forum are, in fact reasonable in the way that they do not follow celebrity gossip too much. I've spent some time with that, on other celebrities than Muse or their family, and I completely agree with you. The gossip machinery is used by celebs to stay relevant. I think music industry, especially for rock music, is pretty innocent in using gossip as a tool, but Hollywood film industry... well for example you can only wonder how Suri Cruise was papped so much when her father was promoting Mission Impossible. I guess that's because we feel entitled to know everything about the life actors/singers/etc. I don't know why some don't appear in the tabloids as much, maybe they always take the back door, don't live in places with a lot of celebrities or don't go to high profile parties. And yes of course there are the people like Paris Hilton who live for exposure and seek it out. I think you are being a bit naive here... Don't you think the tricks to avoid the paps would be known by all celebs? Paris Hilton seems to live for exposure because she has no real job, so she is not promoting anything else than herself, whereas actresses have their film promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I still want to know what's disgusting about going to several gigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I still want to know what's disgusting about going to several gigs. Or "obsessive in unhealthy way, silly, or pathetic". Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I don't actually think doing obsessive stuff like travelling to another country and spending a day waiting in order to meet band members is okay, rather I find people doing that pretty weird, and they should have better things to do with their time and money, but I really do not accept people saying it's creepy violation of privacy and those people do that because they lack basic understanding of manners, or that they don't see there is a limit on what you can do. I'd rather say they are more vulnerable victims to a system that encourages such things. . Just read this and, what? These people should have better things to do with their time and money than to spend it on things they enjoy? Oh I bet your life is one big fight for efficiency. May I ask what you suggest that these people do with the money that they earn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 May I ask what you suggest that these people do with the money that they earn? Save it until we can afford a statue of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Save it until we can afford a statue of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Here I give you some credit. I don't think I used the word "creepy" in the correct way. Would you like more expressions like obsessive in unhealthy way, silly, or pathetic? I didn't realise that those few lines are too much for your intellectual capabilities, sorry. Maybe you should try to read my text again. You know the idea of a band touring is that the band goes to different regions to play their show, which, I think people agree should offer the same highlights everywhere to not put people in different regions in unequal position, and in order to make it interesting for themselves, maybe include some differences. The idea is not that the fans tour for the band and the band performs a different gig every time for those few who have the time and money to tour with them. To assume that the band serves for this tiny group of people is, umm, entitled, weird, disgusting, pathetic... Pick your favourite word. Before you criticise my intelligence, maybe you should make sure that you yourself are actually able to understand even the simplest of points. "Should offer the same highlights everywhere" doesn't mean "play the same songs everywhere and then throw in rare stuff for Asia/Australia". Of course they should include differences, that would make it more interesting for everyone. If you think that I want Muse to serve ME and only the people who agree with me, then reading comprehension clearly isn't your strength. If you had understood anything I've said, or anyone else for that matter, it's that every fan should have equal opportunities to see rare/obscure songs and to see the band perform like they're actually having fun on stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HannahG123 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 The thing is that most fangirls/boys avoid this forum nowadays. The general opinion of the muse board is that it's filled with bitter haters who will tear you apart for liking Muse. ie job well done guys, job well done. I like that though. If this board was full of the same people who go tumblr mad (and act that way on here as I do go a bit tumblr mad) then it would get so tiresome. However essentially when it comes down to it, we are all here on this board for the same reason. Because at some point in the past few years we loved the MUSIC of this band enough to become regular posters. Whether that is the case now or not it doesn't change that fact And personally I don't think seeing a band tons is obsessive or creepy in any way. There is nothing remotely wrong in going to a concert, if it's what you enjoy then why ever not! It's your money to spend and it certainly doesn't make the band feel uncomfortable in anyway so it should be ruled out in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Just read this and, what? These people should have better things to do with their time and money than to spend it on things they enjoy? Oh I bet your life is one big fight for efficiency. May I ask what you suggest that these people do with the money that they earn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 so basically keti's idea is going on holiday to a different country and see Muse is obsessive and creepy but writing belldom slash fic is perfectly normal? ok.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I like that though. If this board was full of the same people who go tumblr mad (and act that way on here as I do go a bit tumblr mad) then it would get so tiresome. However essentially when it comes down to it, we are all here on this board for the same reason. Because at some point in the past few years we loved the MUSIC of this band enough to become regular posters. Whether that is the case now or not it doesn't change that fact I wasn't being sarcastic when I said job well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HannahG123 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I wasn't being sarcastic when I said job well done. I know sorry I didn't make that clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 So you think the celebrities should be entitled to decide when and where they gush how wonderful their children are, and collect their enormous checks for relatively easy work playing themselves for the camera and doing a few interviews? Sorry I would think that for their millions they should work harder. I actually think the film industry thinks in the same way, because it hasn't required any legislation to protect celebrities' children. In any case, paps come with the business (these btw are words of Adam Lambert, not mine) and if a celebrity wants to protect his/her children he/she better not talk about them in public - I'm quite sure there are other things to do as well (letting a nanny to take the child through an airport separately would be one I think). Yes, I believe that it's up to any parent to decide when and where to talk about their children. How would you like it if men with large cameras started taking pictures of your children in the park? Sure there are quite a few who earn ridiculous amounts of money but how leisurely do you think it's promoting a new film or album? Or how much fun it is having to maintain a ridiculously thin figure because otherwise you get targeted as a fat fuck by the media. (Doesn't justify the millions some make no, who knows, maybe you can see it as a compensation for having to jump through hoops not having everything you do be captured on film) How does mentioning a child in an interview justify someone taking pictures of them? It's about boundaries and paps don't have them. People shouldn't have to go through such lengths just because a few idiots wants to see such pictures. I think you are being a bit naive here... Don't you think the tricks to avoid the paps would be known by all celebs? Paris Hilton seems to live for exposure because she has no real job, so she is not promoting anything else than herself, whereas actresses have their film promotions. That's why I said 'I DON"T KNOW WHY' And yes, I know, that's why I brought her up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 If you want to keep your family out of the media, you can't mention them, ever. That's a fact. What is is NOT though is an excuse, or a way to blame it on the celebrity. It's like blaming theft on the victim for exposing his valuables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 If you want to keep your family out of the media, you can't mention them, ever. That's a fact. What is is NOT though is an excuse, or a way to blame it on the celebrity. It's like blaming theft on the victim for exposing his valuables. Pretty sure I said this last page. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Pretty sure I said this last page. Just saying. You're not getting any cookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 The cookie is a lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 You're not getting any cookies. Ya I have them disabled. lolcats pun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 If you want to keep your family out of the media, you can't mention them, ever. That's a fact. What is is NOT though is an excuse, or a way to blame it on the celebrity. It's like blaming theft on the victim for exposing his valuables. Oh well yeah when they talk about them it will probably end up in an article etc (and thus being in the media). I'm just talking about the pap pics. they don't care if you've mentioned them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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