Heartofsaturdaynight Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 Sooo, I asked this a while back, but it got flooded or something lol. Someone had mentioned that the digital turntables (the usb connection or something... i don't know) was bad and damaging to the vinyls... is this true? if it is... how exactly? and how badly can it damage it if so? This is only from bits I've read - no personal experience. What I do know for sure is that a cheap USB turntable with a ceramic cartridge even if it does not damage the vinyl will not sound good. If you have very little vinyl then just get a USB turntable but avoid a ceramic cartridge. A terrible way for your first listen to vinyl is via a USB turntable (not including in a night club when it’s cranked up and you maybe full of booze). The USB T brings out all the problems of vinyl and very little of the good points. Your going to get a lot of pops and clicks, surface noise and rumble (you don’t get this on a good turntable), you will get software to clean the recording up – but here you will loose some good stuff as well as the bad. With a USB T most are going to digitise to mp3 and listen on a computer – the best bit about vinyl should be no digitisation at the play back stage. It’s the converting to digital in which information is lost - the cheaper the set-up the worse the conversion. Certainly if you have a good turntable and a good Analogue to Digital converter then the digital version may sound good (don’t ripp to mp3) but your not getting that with a USB T. If you use a USB T and ripp to mp3 the result will be worse than just downloading the mp3 from itunes (or elsewhere). The only exception is on a few vinyl albums the album has been re-mastered for the vinyl with less loudness and more dynamics. They could have done the same for the CD but with the loudness war ruining good recordings that’s not going to happen. Note: all vinyl albums have an equalization curve applied but this is different to a complete re-master in relation to the digital versions being wrecked by loudness. http://www.knowzy.com/usb-turntable-comparison.htm#LP2CDAvoidCeramicCarts What is wrong with ceramic cartridges? Ceramic cartridges found in USB turntables have two basic problems: Increased distortion and accellerated record wear. http://www.cheapism.com/cheap-turntables According to the experts at Knowzy.com, anti-skate prevents records from being damaged and worn down http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=78040 Exaggerated results if the stylus is bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyraSilvertongue Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 i got a "your order is being processed" e-mail this morning. i then sent them an e-mail, inquiring about what that language actually meant... ...and the response i received was what i posted a few minutes ago. Don't you already have a couple of copies? Why are you buying up more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frutiger75 Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 Don't you already have a couple of copies? Why are you buying up more? i have one for myself to open / listen. i attempted to buy another one, to remain sealed, for my collection purposes. i got lucky by having an order filled for the second one. however, i placed multiple orders at various stores in hopes of merely getting at least ONE for my collection. i was shut out at almost all stores. ...except for a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat_714 Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 FUCK!!!!!!! Vintage Vinyl sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agenthal Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 FUCK!!!!!!! Vintage Vinyl sold out. How do you know? Did they email you? EDIT: Just saw my order status. Fuck them, I wanted that Hysteria single! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frutiger75 Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 yeah...vintage vinyl sent me a final e-mail...saying that my order would be shipped on monday w/ 2-day delivery. they also said i was the LAST person in the queue list to actually get one of their 18 copies. wow. i placed my order on sunday morning. didn't quite a few of you on here do so, as well...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat_714 Posted April 24, 2010 Share Posted April 24, 2010 yeah...vintage vinyl sent me a final e-mail...saying that my order would be shipped on monday w/ 2-day delivery. they also said i was the LAST person in the queue list to actually get one of their 18 copies. wow. i placed my order on sunday morning. didn't quite a few of you on here do so, as well...? I placed my order Sunday afternoon... Damnit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruickyDeadstar Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Just got my copy sent from America. It's just all <3:$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oysterman55 Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 Where did you get it from? Still waiting for mine from the States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruickyDeadstar Posted April 26, 2010 Share Posted April 26, 2010 A member of the board sent it to me. Think mail from America is very inconsistant with arrival times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Unintended xx Becca Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 This is only from bits I've read - no personal experience. What I do know for sure is that a cheap USB turntable with a ceramic cartridge even if it does not damage the vinyl will not sound good. If you have very little vinyl then just get a USB turntable but avoid a ceramic cartridge. A terrible way for your first listen to vinyl is via a USB turntable (not including in a night club when it’s cranked up and you maybe full of booze). The USB T brings out all the problems of vinyl and very little of the good points. Your going to get a lot of pops and clicks, surface noise and rumble (you don’t get this on a good turntable), you will get software to clean the recording up – but here you will loose some good stuff as well as the bad. With a USB T most are going to digitise to mp3 and listen on a computer – the best bit about vinyl should be no digitisation at the play back stage. It’s the converting to digital in which information is lost - the cheaper the set-up the worse the conversion. Certainly if you have a good turntable and a good Analogue to Digital converter then the digital version may sound good (don’t ripp to mp3) but your not getting that with a USB T. If you use a USB T and ripp to mp3 the result will be worse than just downloading the mp3 from itunes (or elsewhere). The only exception is on a few vinyl albums the album has been re-mastered for the vinyl with less loudness and more dynamics. They could have done the same for the CD but with the loudness war ruining good recordings that’s not going to happen. Note: all vinyl albums have an equalization curve applied but this is different to a complete re-master in relation to the digital versions being wrecked by loudness. http://www.knowzy.com/usb-turntable-comparison.htm#LP2CDAvoidCeramicCarts What is wrong with ceramic cartridges? Ceramic cartridges found in USB turntables have two basic problems: Increased distortion and accellerated record wear. http://www.cheapism.com/cheap-turntables According to the experts at Knowzy.com, anti-skate prevents records from being damaged and worn down http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=78040 Exaggerated results if the stylus is bent. Thanks so much, this helps a whole lot! . I appreciate all the explanation!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat_714 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Ended up getting a copy from Amazon for $25 and another copy from eBay for $22... I'm still bitter about not being able to get a copy for the normal price, but at least I have one I can listen to and another I can display pwoudly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemy Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 To anyone in the UK: got yours delivered yet? Still waiting for mine, and I've got the Exogenesis blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oysterman55 Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 Not yet, I guess that shipping on a flight from the states means that stranded passengers take priority - the cheek of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrillzzz1109 Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 So don't hate me, but I came across 3 of these in 3 different stores. 1 I got on Record Store Day, 2 I found in stores this past week. All 3 for $10 each. I framed one, gave one to my brother, and now I have an extra one. I would be more than willing to trade someone for a Resistance 7" picture disc if anyone is interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAR0623 Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 So don't hate me, but I came across 3 of these in 3 different stores. 1 I got on Record Store Day, 2 I found in stores this past week. All 3 for $10 each. I framed one, gave one to my brother, and now I have an extra one. I would be more than willing to trade someone for a Resistance 7" picture disc if anyone is interested. I don't have anything to trade you, but I would love to buy it from you if no one wants to trade. The store I ordered from online cancelled my order without so much as an email letting me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrskopite Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 To anyone in the UK: got yours delivered yet? Still waiting for mine, and I've got the Exogenesis blues. I'm waiting....................Patiently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofsaturdaynight Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 I'm waiting....................Patiently just arrived today & looking good - not even broken the seal yet but I will - records are for playing not just to look at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oysterman55 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 just arrived today & looking good - not even broken the seal yet but I will - records are for playing not just to look at Did you order via the Muse shop or from an American source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofsaturdaynight Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Did you order via the Muse shop or from an American source? I should have put - an American source. Was lucky to have some help from a board member. I was not expecting the record so soon. It was much quicker delivery than my normal amazon US deliveries - but then again I always go for the cheap option and this time my postage was expensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oysterman55 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 I should have put - an American source. Was lucky to have some help from a board member. I was not expecting the record so soon. It was much quicker delivery than my normal amazon US deliveries - but then again I always go for the cheap option and this time my postage was expensive! Yes, I ordered via Electric Fetus, as suggested by someone here. They say it was despatched a week ago. Anyone else order through them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruickyDeadstar Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 In response to the USB turntable post. Would these flaws apply if I were to hook it up to a home system? I've found an Ion Profile at a good price, and while I'm still trying to find out if it has a ceramic cartridge, I know it can be hooked up to a stereo player to go through that. I was going to go for a Pro-ject debut, but with having just eBay'ed MUSE at Stade de France tickets, I'm short on cash, so an Ion at £40 seems like the best I can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halo eighteen Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 Yeah, it would still apply. But honestly, even systems that audiophiles deject as "bad" are still better than compressed digital files. Clean your records and your needles frequently, but realize these aren't CD's, and they're not harmless lasers scanning the disc (though I did see a laser based turntable from Japan for about $10,000). It's inevitable that after repeated use, any player will damage a record. I have a Sony PS-LX300USB; I think it sounds great and have had only very few problems with it. Despite that, I am looking to upgrade to a Technics SL-1200M3D at some point. Just interviewed for a promotion at work so if I start making more money, I might finally get around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofsaturdaynight Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 In response to the USB turntable post. Would these flaws apply if I were to hook it up to a home system? I've found an Ion Profile at a good price, and while I'm still trying to find out if it has a ceramic cartridge, I know it can be hooked up to a stereo player to go through that. I was going to go for a Pro-ject debut, but with having just eBay'ed MUSE at Stade de France tickets, I'm short on cash, so an Ion at £40 seems like the best I can afford. I know what's it like recently with money & Muse tickets, flights, hotels, beer, wine etc Your only going to get what you pay for and at the bottom end it's probably more important to be more careful. With a quick google on the Ion Profile it looks like it has a Magnetic cartridge (you will need to check your model) which is good. The flaws I mentioned apply regardless to whatever it is connected, i.e. if it’s connected to a good HiFi or a PC. At that sort of price it will sound a bit noisy with maybe a bit of rumble. Unless you can pick up a good second hand one you don’t have much choice. As long as you don’t damage your vinyl (ceramic cartridge) you can always up-grade the turntable at a later stage. I would usually recommend listening to a piece of HiFi equipment first (it’s amazing how many people now don’t). At that price if you don’t like it maybe you can just sell it on without losing much. Looks like you have your priorities right – worry about a turntable after the Muse gigs – at some point they will take a break, you can save then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted April 30, 2010 Share Posted April 30, 2010 This is only from bits I've read - no personal experience. What I do know for sure is that a cheap USB turntable with a ceramic cartridge even if it does not damage the vinyl will not sound good. If you have very little vinyl then just get a USB turntable but avoid a ceramic cartridge. A terrible way for your first listen to vinyl is via a USB turntable (not including in a night club when it’s cranked up and you maybe full of booze). The USB T brings out all the problems of vinyl and very little of the good points. Your going to get a lot of pops and clicks, surface noise and rumble (you don’t get this on a good turntable), you will get software to clean the recording up – but here you will loose some good stuff as well as the bad. With a USB T most are going to digitise to mp3 and listen on a computer – the best bit about vinyl should be no digitisation at the play back stage. It’s the converting to digital in which information is lost - the cheaper the set-up the worse the conversion. Certainly if you have a good turntable and a good Analogue to Digital converter then the digital version may sound good (don’t ripp to mp3) but your not getting that with a USB T. If you use a USB T and ripp to mp3 the result will be worse than just downloading the mp3 from itunes (or elsewhere). The only exception is on a few vinyl albums the album has been re-mastered for the vinyl with less loudness and more dynamics. They could have done the same for the CD but with the loudness war ruining good recordings that’s not going to happen. Note: all vinyl albums have an equalization curve applied but this is different to a complete re-master in relation to the digital versions being wrecked by loudness. This isn't the case at all. Vinyl actually "loses" more than digital formats do, except mp3 and other forms of file compression, but if you use a sample rate of 24bit/96kHz, the amount of headroom available is larger than human hearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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