james90 Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 That's why I said in theory. I actually made a mistake earlier, the sides of the delorean are 0.7mm, so no more than 2mm wider. The original is pretty sloppy in construction I doubt the final size was determined accounting for the thickness of the ali. The bodies have become more symmetrical over time. There seems to have been a step change around 2007, after which they became more uniform. So they are larger than usual? I always thought some in particular looked massive on MB... yeah. the first X-Y guitar wasn't exactly symmetrical, but that was before 2007. I think he must have got it in late 2005/early 2006. I remember seeing a video from the recording of BHAR and it was being used. edit: this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5UhwpZq-c And like I said yesterday, I'm fairly certain it was used for this, going by the #chuggz alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAlH3m3HkAI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 \i always imagined Assassin was recorded on the mirror Manson. Or possibly 007 if the pickups had been changed by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 So they are larger than usual? I always thought some in particular looked massive on MB... yeah. the first X-Y guitar wasn't exactly symmetrical, but that was before 2007. I think he must have got it in late 2005/early 2006. I remember seeing a video from the recording of BHAR and it was being used. edit: this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5UhwpZq-c And like I said yesterday, I'm fairly certain it was used for this, going by the #chuggz alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAlH3m3HkAI Yes, the older guitars are larger than the new ones. The first Matt black (with the ebony board) is over10mm narrower at the widest point than the Matt black Kaoss. Doesn't sound like much, but combined with the changes to the outer curve of the body, it results in a less bulbous look. The black Kaoss guitar is really the last of the 'old shape' Manson, which was followed by the dearly departed M1D1, that being the first of the 'new' shape guitars. It's interesting, as the M1D1 was possibly not intended for Matt. As far as I can tell, all subsequent guitars follow the 'proportions' if not the exact dimensions of the M1D1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 Yes, the older guitars are larger than the new ones. The first Matt black (with the ebony board) is over10mm narrower at the widest point than the Matt black Kaoss. Doesn't sound like much, but combined with the changes to the outer curve of the body, it results in a less bulbous look. The black Kaoss guitar is really the last of the 'old shape' Manson, which was followed by the dearly departed M1D1, that being the first of the 'new' shape guitars. It's interesting, as the M1D1 was possibly not intended for Matt. As far as I can tell, all subsequent guitars follow the 'proportions' if not the exact dimensions of the M1D1. cool And does that include the MB-1 shape? Have a look at Olly's M1B1 compared to the M1D1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Yes, the older guitars are larger than the new ones. The first Matt black (with the ebony board) is over10mm narrower at the widest point than the Matt black Kaoss. Doesn't sound like much, but combined with the changes to the outer curve of the body, it results in a less bulbous look. The black Kaoss guitar is really the last of the 'old shape' Manson, which was followed by the dearly departed M1D1, that being the first of the 'new' shape guitars. It's interesting, as the M1D1 was possibly not intended for Matt. As far as I can tell, all subsequent guitars follow the 'proportions' if not the exact dimensions of the M1D1. Really? I always thought the M1D1 had a really weird shaped horn compared to the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) Hmm, that is interesting. Maybe the M1D1 was the last of the wonky's then? It's hard to say as it's broken in the shot above. It's not one of the guitars I like all that much. Maybe I am wrong, as I always though the original red glitter was a different shape to Red Glitter 2 as well, but now i'm not sure. Certainly from Matt Black 1 onwards they're all more symmetric, so maybe that was the first of the new ones then? EDIT: I just went back and checked it looks like all the 2007 guitars share the same shape, though I haven't got a good shot of the Black MIDI. Clearly I was talking nonsense earlier. Edited November 5, 2016 by Jaicen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 Hmm, that is interesting. Maybe the M1D1 was the last of the wonky's then? It's hard to say as it's broken in the shot above. It's not one of the guitars I like all that much. Maybe I am wrong, as I always though the original red glitter was a different shape to Red Glitter 2 as well, but now i'm not sure. Certainly from Matt Black 1 onwards they're all more symmetric, so maybe that was the first of the new ones then? Nah we're referring to the upper left in particular, which is still intact. And I wouldn't know. I don't think there was a massive difference between red glitter and its replacement, at least not as much as the two guitars in the picture I posted. On a side note, I'm curious why the original one is now stripped of all its parts. Surely they wouldn't have recycled them onto the new one (or any other guitar), unless the replacement was built in more of a rush that we thought. Edit: Do you mean black MIDI as in the M1D1's replacement, or black MIDI as in the first X-Y guitar (below)? http://www.mansonguitars.co.uk/g5?lightbox=image1qpf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 I meant the black Midi as in the one that looks like an MB1s. I think Matt calls it Auto? And for me, the lower bout is where the difference lies, the old ones are wider at the bottom than the new shape guitars. I'm fairly sure the Red Glitter 2 is a different shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jaicen Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Nope. they're (almost) the same. Ignore everything I said, clearly I don't know anything as I didn't tweet etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Muse Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Which guitars, they vary. You're unlikely to get a lot of answers here i'm afraid, you're probably better off hunting down some good pictures and scaling them with known quantities. Ah shame about that. I was hoping to find some answers just for a standard model. I also forget to mention I was looking for the Keytar dimensions as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbias12 Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 MA-007 will be picked up #soon... The weekend of November 25th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 MA-007 will be picked up #soon... The weekend of November 25th. @jbias12 I can't remember, but have you been to the old works? Or the shop for that matter? I know you went to the show last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbias12 Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 @jbias12 I can't remember, but have you been to the old works? Or the shop for that matter? I know you went to the show last year. No I never got to see the old MGW. I only went the day of the show and the works was obviously closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 No I never got to see the old MGW. I only went the day of the show and the works was obviously closed. Did you manage to see the shop at least? I'm eager to see the new Works anyway. Not completely sure if I'm able to go again next year, but certainly by the following. I think going back and forth between the shop and works might be an issue as well. I understand it's no longer a minute's walk between the two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbias12 Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 Did you manage to see the shop at least? I'm eager to see the new Works anyway. Not completely sure if I'm able to go again next year, but certainly by the following. I think going back and forth between the shop and works might be an issue as well. I understand it's no longer a minute's walk between the two Yes I was able to hang out at the shop for a bit. Tried to buy the CE-7 that was on display I guess I should figure out where exactly the new works is in relation to the shop. It'll only be a few hours in Exeter as I train in from London in the morning and train back after I pick up the guitar and hang out for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Yes I was able to hang out at the shop for a bit. Tried to buy the CE-7 that was on display I guess I should figure out where exactly the new works is in relation to the shop. It'll only be a few hours in Exeter as I train in from London in the morning and train back after I pick up the guitar and hang out for a bit. A few of us tried that last time, and it really didn't sound that great for some reason. Probably because we weren't playing citizen erased. Not sure, but I guess I won't be popping down to visit every few hours It does sound like there is plenty to keep one busy at the new works, as they seem to have that little gallery/demo room up above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musecasters Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Yes I was able to hang out at the shop for a bit. Tried to buy the CE-7 that was on display I guess I should figure out where exactly the new works is in relation to the shop. It'll only be a few hours in Exeter as I train in from London in the morning and train back after I pick up the guitar and hang out for a bit. about 20 miles from the old shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 It's not too bad. Just a matter of figuring out how to get there, especially if you're a texan like I am, and won't be driving. No idea what the area is like otherwise, but just as long as there is a nando's within walking distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Well it's on an industrial estate isn't it?? Think it's unlikely they will have spicy Chicken.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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james90 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 Well it's on an industrial estate isn't it?? Think it's unlikely they will have spicy Chicken.. I didn't expect the new Works to have a built in nando's. I meant the area it's in. But I fear you're right. Jaicen and I will be buying one. I just want to see the builds - I think there are three entries in my 2016 calendar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Jaicen and I will be buying one. I just want to see the builds - I think there are three entries in my 2016 calendar That's not a bad problem to have Is this the Nando's you guys talk about? http://www.nandos.com/ There seems to be one in town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted November 7, 2016 Author Share Posted November 7, 2016 That's not a bad problem to have Is this the Nando's you guys talk about? http://www.nandos.com/ There seems to be one in town #modlife And yes, but I'm not sure if it's exactly the same as what's in the UK. I wouldn't know, since they STILL haven't opened one anywhere near me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted November 8, 2016 Author Share Posted November 8, 2016 https://www.mansonguitarworks.com/product/manson-guitar-works-2017-calendar-188 Just requested mine. Has @Jaicen ordered one yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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