Alexander DeLarge Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I am completely baffled by last night. It all looks so generic and boring (which a normal set with Reapers was already excelling at), what did Reapers get replaced by? I can't even tell. Are they offended with every movie villain ever? Yes. They're mad at the entire James Bond/Batman franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I am completely baffled by last night. It all looks so generic and boring (which a normal set with Reapers was already excelling at), what did Reapers get replaced by? I can't even tell. Resistance or Hysteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odier Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 And Starlight as a closer will be back!!! YEAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninsp Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 And Starlight as a closer will be back!!! YEAH! Starlight live x3? This guy is thinking on the right path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musekiddo Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 If Reapers is dropped it'll be for US only, unlucky. Although I think it'll get played at least one night in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't think "unlucky" is the word you're looking for when a band slights its fans in a particular country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musekiddo Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't think "unlucky" is the word you're looking for when a band slights its fans in a particular country... It's their own bad attitude that's the problem. It's unfair, unlucky, farcical etc however you want to describe it, what else you want me to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm really upset over this because Reapers was one of the five songs that I thought I could rely on every night. As a fan of the heavier material, there isn't much for us at all anymore now that SS/NB are gone completely (unless you're at a festival). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It rubs me the wrong way when I hear "well, it'll get better outside the US" and the like. At the end of the day, the crowd here paid their ticket price to see the gig the same as any other country (and before someone says "the US is cheaper" - we don't set ticket prices, the band does; not like we had an option to pay UK prices for UK sets...) Crowds in the US shouldn't be getting shorter setlists, snarky comments, complained about by band and crew, or the "we'll play that song outside the US" treatment. Or a band that looks like they're bored to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroya Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I was hoping that Psycho would become MK Ultra and get dropped halfway through the tour - it works great as an opener when you're out at the front but in a pop festival with almost no fans (including your +1) it sucks, badly. Reapers is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't think "unlucky" is the word you're looking for when a band slights its fans in a particular country... But you said they probably dropped because of the poor reaction from the fans, which would mean they're not enjoying it much. If it's the case, how is that slighting them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I still find it very weird for them to drop a staple from the recent album. I'll wait to see what happens at Oakland before concluding anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaSarahS Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I still find it very weird for them to drop a staple from the recent album. I'll wait to see what happens at Oakland before concluding anything. MK Ultra all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 But you said they probably dropped because of the poor reaction from the fans, which would mean they're not enjoying it much. If it's the case, how is that slighting them? Because Muse has honestly shown a narrow view of what US audiences "enjoy," and how they enjoy themselves. They compare us too much to audiences in other areas, whereas we typically have quieter crowds. We don't mosh and jump around as much as we did a decade ago. That doesn't mean we don't enjoy the band. Just because someone doesn't immediately recognize Reapers, or any other song, and it doesn't illicit an immediate reaction like Madness or Starlight, doesn't mean they aren't enjoying it. They possibly don't know the lyrics, or shit, maybe just want to watch and take in an unfamiliar song. Maybe the band should look at the fact that they've appealed to an older crowd in the US, as well. Judging us by moshing and screaming doesn't fit the reality, really, and it's something that I feel like Muse has done unfairly. I think the crowd will react positively to a band that looks like it's enjoying itself playing a good song that they're unfamiliar with. Maybe they turned some new people on to different songs, and have grown their fanbase. When I hear that the band or their crew has complained about the entire crowd, like in Houston, for example, I think that's just a bit narrowminded and unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Was it just dropped or was it replaced? Surely if it's just dropped then it'll be temporarily because of technical errors (are there flying drones in that song? I wouldn't doubt them just to drop the whole song because they couldn't get the toys to work). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Reading the defenses of the setlists has really baffled me... Not that people aren't allowed to have opinions, but in a "what IS Muse's logic, here?" So, eliminating "they had to remove songs to add more Drones songs, so stuff like MC/MC/Agitated/CE/DS/SS have to go (or be a more rare rotation, in the case of CE,) because that implies it's okay to keep the sets nearly the length of the festivals (and thus the "replacement" justification,) and I think that's just not aright... The biggest argument is obviously "they're catering to a crowd of 10,000 people, so you're going to get the hits, and the softer stuff." OK, I get that. But who then were they catering to on the festivals...? Festivals, I always though, were geared towards drawing in new fans who happened to see your band while being at the festival for a different one. But, that implies they played stuff they thought would appeal to people who had never heard them... but that same doesn't hold true to their own fans and gigs. Conclusion; there's just no rational reason for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Was it just dropped or was it replaced? Surely if it's just dropped then it'll be temporarily because of technical errors (are there flying drones in that song? I wouldn't doubt them just to drop the whole song because they couldn't get the toys to work). They did Resistance and Hysteria, instead of just one of the two. The fear being both of those are typically more recognizable to more casual fans, of course. Although, tbf, I'm not sure how much the US recognizes Hysteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Maybe Matt lost/broke his pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Maybe he was drunk and wrote Resistance instead of Reapers. Maybe saying "now I'm radicalized" was going to get him on the no fly list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frutiger75 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) tbf, I'm not sure how much the US recognizes Hysteria. surely enough ppl over here do. though TIRO's music video debuted before hysteria's, i consider the latter's debut on MTV's total request live to be essentially muse's official introduction to america. of course, muse's first two albums were widely available on napster (which is where i got them way back when), etc., but i recall things taking off quite a bit over here after the hysteria video. Edited December 15, 2015 by frutiger75 post originally contained a split infinitive, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 That's what I don't get, who the fuck were they playing to when they did festivals? Now I'm supposed to accept the fact that festivals got a heavier set with more obscure material because "THEY'RE PLAYING TO 20,000 PEOPLE THEY DON'T NEED TO PANDER TO YOU"? It amazes me how quickly hardcore fans are willing to throw themselves under the bus in defense of a short, pop-filled set. The very same people who say the same thing in a queue but complain about negativity online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 That's what I don't get, who the fuck were they playing to when they did festivals? Now I'm supposed to accept the fact that festivals got a heavier set with more obscure material because "THEY'RE PLAYING TO 20,000 PEOPLE THEY DON'T NEED TO PANDER TO YOU"? I'd be more understanding if the festivals were in line with the arena setlists, completely. But, people who had no idea who Muse even were got rarer songs than their own fans? I just don't... wha... There's some truth in that last statement, although the people who say it are typically the types that make me want to punch kittens. But why were they pandering to me at festivals in far away lands, then? :'( Whhyyyyy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) I'm really not sure what they try to accomplish in the US. Not a lot of people know them so they play mostly singles because more people might know them, alternated with slower and less rocky songs because... Because why? Why not just blow everyone away and do what you do best? Is it because Coldplay is more successful here? Is there some cheesiness algorithm to rule the American market? Why not cater to the people who actually show up and apparently are fans. I mean, does the casual visitor ask for a refund if they have to listen to MotP instead of, say, Resistance. It's not like they know either of those songs anyway. Edited December 15, 2015 by That Little Animal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regilistic Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 It baffles me to think this is the same band that played The Groove, Assassin, Apocalypse please, New Born, Bliss, Hyper Music, Animals and Stockholm Syndrome all within two gigs within the US. The band have just fallen under the impression that just because they're in the US, they have to play lighter stuff or people will be "bored". Can you imagine how many people would be disappointed if they went to their first Muse show and didn't see Starlight or Madness? The problem with Muse is they have so many poppy songs, and they're only getting recognized for them. Muse need to suck it up, stop being so obsessed with crowd reactions and just play some heavier stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyjackk Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I just want Resistance to fuck off. It's honestly such a boring live song and it brings nothing to the setlists. Like honestly the intro and outro equate to about 2 minutes of nothing what's the point. EDIT: On the topic of Americans not recognising older/more obscure material - out of all the videos I've seen so far from this tour, Seattle's video of Citizen Erased showed it getting one of the better receptions out of any song at any gig they've played on the American tour so far while UD and Resistance consistently are met with a less than enthusiastic "ooohh" lol muse logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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