Bumpypotato Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Sometimes they are. By silly people. A simple way of remembering how to use i.e is to pretend it stands for "in essence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 It really isn't common knowledge. At least as far as Americans are concerned, they can't even name all 50 states, much less their capitals, much less correctly identify other countries and their locations on maps. Since "i.e." and "e.g." are nuanced on a level of an archaic language and to the point where there are various articles about easily confusing them online, I don't think it's fair to assume everyone knows the difference.Don't really see the point in comparing geography with language. I know someone who can tell you two thousand years of history for individual countries, but still can't point them out on a map. Obviously it's very possible that Matt (and a majority of Americans, not that Matt is one) doesn't know the difference, never said otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudia O Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 c'mon, we need some news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazydays Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If he just wrote the 9am Belfast thing to clarify what a time and a place means he's being really specific for no reason. It's not like people don't understand the meaning of 'a time and a place'. Unless he's purposely messing with us or just being plain ignorant while trying to be cheeky. The psychopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceansize Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 For the sanity of fans, Muse, please release something. Stop dicking around, you are creating misery here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Don't really see the point in comparing geography with language. I know someone who can tell you two thousand years of history for individual countries, but still can't point them out on a map. Obviously it's very possible that Matt (and a majority of Americans, not that Matt is one) doesn't know the difference, never said otherwise. I'm just trying to get at whether Matt knows this or not, cause I went 20 years without any clarification really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 But they're literally latin abbreviations for "for example" and "that is", using them for anything else would only make the language more confusing. B-but evolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 There's no way Matt wasn't trying to hint at something happening in Belfast at 9pm on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazydays Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Clarification? Soon? Abandon all hope ye who enter this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I'm just trying to get at whether Matt knows this or not, cause I went 20 years without any clarification really. Well that's impossible to know, but I think we should at least assume that he knows the meaning of the words he uses. Much more logical than assuming he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 B-but evolution If only you'd kept sleeping then maybe we'd have gotten info by now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolutionamethyst Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If he just wrote the 9am Belfast thing to clarify what a time and a place means he's being really specific for no reason. It's not like people don't understand the meaning of 'a time and a place'. yeah this. Considering how close new info/a release is, it seems to be a weirdly specific reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshscuse Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I know "language evolves" and everything but i.e and e.g both serve very specific and distinct functions and they aren't really interchangeable i.e is used when there is only one example of what you're referring to "the current British prime minister, I.e David Cameron" E.g is used to refer to one example of many, "a British person, e.g matt Bellamy" They actually have pretty much the opposite function to one another so, no, they can't be used interchangeably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 There's no way Matt wasn't trying to hint at something happening in Belfast at 9pm on Sunday. To cite either Tjet or Dee3Dee from a few hundred pages back, there is indeed a thing called "confirmation bias". I hope you're right, but we don't really have too great a track record with this sort of thing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshscuse Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I know "language evolves" and everything but i.e and e.g both serve very specific and distinct functions and they aren't really interchangeable i.e is used when there is only one example of what you're referring to "the current British prime minister, I.e David Cameron" E.g is used to refer to one example of many, "a British person, e.g matt Bellamy" They actually have pretty much the opposite function to one another so, no, they can't be used interchangeably Edit: actually "e.g" would have been a great thing for me to put before either of those examples there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rina_06 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Is there a public holiday in Northern Ireland on the weekend? I wonder why it was chosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I know "language evolves" and everything but i.e and e.g both serve very specific and distinct functions and they aren't really interchangeable i.e is used when there is only one example of what you're referring to "the current British prime minister, I.e David Cameron" E.g is used to refer to one example of many, "a British person, e.g matt Bellamy" They actually have pretty much the opposite function to one another so, no, they can't be used interchangeably You can't deny that removing the context would make it infinitely more difficult to discern the meaning. Like saying "a British prime minister" seems similar to Matt saying "there is a time and place", whereas "the current British prime minister" would line up with a hypothetical tweet from Matt that would read "this is the time and place". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyneutron Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 For the sanity of fans, Muse, please release something. Stop dicking around, you are creating misery here. It's terribly entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusingVash Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If he just wrote the 9am Belfast thing to clarify what a time and a place means he's being really specific for no reason. It's not like people don't understand the meaning of 'a time and a place'. Honestly I think that this was just a date given for the making of the song. Matt Bellamy @MattBellamy 13h13 hours ago “@nisheFR: Make the most awesome riff ever made. Wait 16 years to make a song with it."there's a time and a place i.e. 9pm, Belfast, Sunday I just thougt about this. What if he meant in reply to taking 16 years that it only took that one sunday at 9 PM in Belfast to make the song. Or I guess come up with the riff (was that the case in Belfast 16 years ago??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPsycho Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Do you guys think Matt, Tom and cia are reading this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriAr Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Are we really discussing English semantics now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudia O Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 And he remembers the time? I don't think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surferliv Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Honestly I think that this was just a date given for the making of the song. Matt Bellamy @MattBellamy 13h13 hours ago “@nisheFR: Make the most awesome riff ever made. Wait 16 years to make a song with it."there's a time and a place i.e. 9pm, Belfast, Sunday I just thougt about this. What if he meant in reply to taking 16 years that it only took that one sunday at 9 PM in Belfast to make the song. Or I guess come up with the riff (was that the case in Belfast 16 years ago??) Whuttt. Also, agree with the 'i.e.' vs 'e.g.' example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 You can't deny that removing the context would make it infinitely more difficult to discern the meaning. Like saying "a British prime minister" seems similar to Matt saying "there is a time and place", whereas "the current British prime minister" would line up with a hypothetical tweet from Matt that would read "this is the time and place".It's a perfectly correct and logical sentence if you remove the context, yes. But honestly, do you really Think it's a logical reply when we have a context, "Make the most awesome riff ever made. Wait 16 years to make a song with it."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemma Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 English Semantics is all we have until Muse get off their arses and announce something Damn if I still lived over there I'd only be an hour and a half bus away from Belfast if a gig was to happen I'll be at work until after 8pm tonight and fully expect this thread to have exploded with news by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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