White Heat Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Bollocks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB-WHw6uMWg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombleeb Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 I'd vote Rome Olympic Stadium if it was up there But it's not so 2nd Law cause Musestep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Surprised by the lack of votes for OoS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombleeb Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Surprised by the lack of votes for OoS. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Surprised by the lack of votes for OoS. I'm surprised by the lack of votes for Absolution. The production on that album is what made me prefer it to OOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Abso is a bit too muddy for me. A lot of work went into the small details of that album, but sadly none of them can be heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombleeb Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Abso is a bit too muddy for me. A lot of work went into the small details of that album, but sadly none of them can be heard. Well I'm surprised by the lack of votes for Showbiz. For classics, Sunburn, Muscle Museum, Fillip, Escape and Uno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yeah, Abso might be their worst production-wise for me. Even the quieter stuff like Endlessly and FAWY sound weirdly muffled and muddy. That, plus the amount of 'meh' tracks/filler make it pretty hard for me to listen to as a whole. OOS can sound a bit 'sharp' (particularly with some of the guitar parts, like the end of Micro Cuts) in places but generally sounds brilliant considering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Origin would have benefitted from T2L production in so much as some of its more layered, grandiose moments would have shined more. The downside is that the Mcro Cuts outro, Hyper Music riffs - the heavy sections in general - might have suffered. The one song on Origin I have always loved the production/layering/mastering (I have no idea what each bit does) on is Bliss. That song is so spacious - I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I've always felt that despite it not having the best written tracks, The 2nd Law is very well produced. It feels like it all has space to breathe sufficiently. Much as it was my favourite album, and may still be, I think Absolution's production is hit-and-miss - the piano songs are good, but the heavier stuff - especially Stockholm Syndrome - is overproduced. Black Holes has the same problem, and I'm not entirely sure by The Resistance or Drones' production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 What exactly do we mean when we say overproduced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I think it generally just means "too clean". Both clean tones and flawless recordings, often patched together. Not sure about the SS comment though. Maybe that it's gone through so much processing that it came out a mess? No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiT Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I love how everyone here is a music production expert. Or at least pretend to be . I assume you guys recorded many many songs in the studio and your ears are the same as the best music producers. Also reading "this song is overproduced" etc. Seems to me it's just talking bullshit to be seemed as competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I've studied music production at uni. Spent a fair amount of time in a studio. Once tried to produce a girl whose instructions for the guitar part was "lots of fchhh sounds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiT Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I've studied music production at uni. Spent a fair amount of time in a studio. Once tried to produce a girl whose instructions for the guitar part was "lots of fchhh sounds". And I don't exactly refer to you personally but the general music fan. I don't believe more than 20% of the members here are producers or studied music. They just wanna sound clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Just because someone isn't trained in music/sound production doesn't preclude them from having an opinion on which Muse albums they think sound best though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogles. Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 And people are also able to learn aspects of music production without doing a course at uni/college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Like its that hard to listen to music and eventually determine what sounds both well-produced and badly produced. I think it generally just means "too clean". Both clean tones and flawless recordings, often patched together. Not sure about the SS comment though. Maybe that it's gone through so much processing that it came out a mess? No idea. It does sound to my (admittedly tinnitus-y, damaged) ears that the guitar tone to Stockholm Syndrome sounds a bit over-processed and it feels much more powerful in a live context. I think it said in the Mark Beaumont book the idea during the Absolution recording was a sort of 50-50 tone between playing the part on a guitar and on a synthesiser, but it feels somewhat muted compared to what it can be. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 And I don't exactly refer to you personally but the general music fan. I don't believe more than 20% of the members here are producers or studied music. They just wanna sound clever. Which is why we're talking about things sounding muddy, spacious, clean, etc. As we're on a !usic forum, it's a safe bet that we've heard enough music to know subpar production when we hear it, even when we don't get the technical aspects. What sort of production do people feel would suit Abso best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alesi08 Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 What sort of production do people feel would suit Abso best? SS and TSP should sound more like Dead Star I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 (edited) SS and TSP should sound more like Dead Star I think. Not a bad shout. I think I plump more for what Devin Townsend achieved on Alien, but that might be a little too extreme (though the idea of SS given that massive, sledgehammer force is seriously appealing). Pelagial by The Ocean might be a better fit. Edited February 14, 2016 by Alec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I think the perfect album, production/mix-wise, for me would be a combination of: Vocals from T2L Guitar from Drones Bass from Drones Drums from T2L Piano from Abso or TR Strings + trumpets from T2L Synths from TR What sort of production do people feel would suit Abso best? Assuming we're picking from their discography, probs Drones. Decent clarity and dynamics (if not on T2L's level) without being so 'clean' that it loses it's punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Ferris Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I'd still opt for something dirtier and more grandiose than Drones. Think albums in general, not just Muse's discography. Actually, listening to Alien some more, there's some nice emphasis on the bass here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Assuming we're picking from their discography, probs Drones. Decent clarity and dynamics (if not on T2L's level) without being so 'clean' that it loses it's punch.That was literally everything I was gonna say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 What exactly do we mean when we say overproduced? It means some aspect of the production (the actual building of the track in studio) has been done to hell, this can be done in post-production such as adding effects and fiddling with everything after a preliminary mix has been done. In essence when people say "overproduced", they're describing how the whole package hits their ears. They know something's 'off', either it's too clean, too muddy, too processed, etc. It's a lot harder to identify the specific things that sound 'off' if you're not well versed in the terminology/knowing how to attribute each production term or characteristic which sounds you hear. Talking more specifically about mixing/mastering is a bit different but if often falls under the umbrella term of production/overproduction, though the producer doesn't tend to be the mixer or masterer. With this stage things like 'loudness' and 'clipping' come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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