Jobby Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Long time reader first time writer. Man there is too much negativity in this place. remember before the tour and people were worrying about matt's fitness? well he seems to be running around a hell of a lot on the footage so far ha. you forget how static a lot of front men are. People were concerned about his fitness because Matt sounded notably out of breath for large chunks of last year and even openly admitted that he hadn't done any exercise in preparation for the tour and was using the gigs as a warm-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Museman8989 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Considering I've done plenty of shows in seats/general admission (in the front where people are coming up to chat and hang out all day) this tour, I'd like to think I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about here. The only people that are blown away are the first timers. Everyone loves the stage production but people are generally unhappy with the setlists. I've heard various complaints but "Vegas show vibe" "greatest hits tour" and "legacy act" are the things I've heard most. They're doing less dates in every city on this continent. That alone should give you a pretty good idea of a decline in ticket sales. Look at the released box office numbers. The crowds are dead and it seems like the general audience knows very little outside of the singles. There's a reason for that and it's because the pop radio audience simply isn't returning tour after tour to see Madness/Starlight for $80. If they were, there would be more of a demand than what we saw in cities where they used to have no problems. The pop radio "I only know the singles" audience isn't sustainable. The "I'll see them once a tour" are starting to get annoyed hearing over half of the set two-three tours in a row and the hardcore audience is sick of getting the same set night after night. How long will they be able to ride out that "best live band" title from 2008 (while it was still accurate)? when there's upwards of over 10,000 people at a show, you can't chat with several people and then make generalizations off of that, that's just ridiculous. even if you talked to 50 people per show and have been to every US show with an average attendance of 9K you've spoken to .5% of the population. sharing opinions is fine, but don't act like you can accurately speak for everyone attending this tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Museman8989 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 on a happy note, the set is evolving to something a lot more fun, so let's hope that trend continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 the set is evolving to something a lot more fun Nope, sooner or later Matt will press B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Just one of these days, I'd like Muse to crack 2 hrs. In the U.S. Consistently. Is that too much to ask??? lol Next time they're probably be full costume and set changes, and an intermission. Will still be under 2 hours in the US, somehow. Mercy is legitimately the only Drones song I would be looking forward to seeing at this point. Maybe The Globalist, but it seems to be primarily visuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 People were concerned about his fitness because Matt sounded notably out of breath for large chunks of last year and even openly admitted that he hadn't done any exercise in preparation for the tour and was using the gigs as a warm-up. Yeah, I don't think too many of us care if Matt stands still or not the entire time; he just sounded really bad for a long time touring on this material, especially compared to last tour. Must say he sounds to have gotten a lot better, but it's still a downer that so many parts of songs have been altered to those ends; particularly the climactic ones for Madness, Handler, and DI. Also yes, if last night was the same length, possibly one of the best sets of the tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenbanana Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Whatever happened to Defector... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Whatever happened to Defector... They realised it's a good live song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topo_musero Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Actually, that won't be a bad setlist, but it's really short. I feel bad for American people, it seems like they're treated... unfairly. And, yeah, I don't know why they don't play Defector. I think it would work live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Pretty sure they're keeping it for Europe, to give a sense of novelty to the European leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halo eighteen Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Note to self: Go to Europe for the next tour, or maybe just French Canada. Thanks Muse for proving tour after tour that Americans deserve bad setlists! Love you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiske Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I made a setlist wich I think most fans would be happy with.It.s something old,something new,something borrowed and something blue:D and I had nothing else to do:LOL: Drones Psycho Dead inside Interlude Hysteria Bliss or Plug in baby Deadstar or Fury The Handler Map of the problematque Supermassive black hole Butterflies and hurricanes Showbiz or Muscle Museum or Sunburn Apocalypse please or Feeling good Stockholm Syndrome Assassin or Exo- Politics New Born or Citizen erased JFK Reapers Time is running out Resistance or Uprising or Panic Station Revolt The Globalist Mercy Knights of Cydonia The or,s are rotations:D I think it,s a whole lot better than what we got so far..... Bury the past,rob us blind and leave nothing [but a shit setlist] behind. Just stare....and live the nightmare:LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndris Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 I made a setlist wich I think most fans would be happy with.It.s something old,something new,something borrowed and something blue:D and I had nothing else to do:LOL: Drones Psycho Dead inside Interlude Hysteria Bliss or Plug in baby Deadstar or Fury The Handler Map of the problematque Supermassive black hole Butterflies and hurricanes Showbiz or Muscle Museum or Sunburn Apocalypse please or Feeling good Stockholm Syndrome Assassin or Exo- Politics New Born or Citizen erased JFK Reapers Time is running out Resistance or Uprising or Panic Station Revolt The Globalist Mercy Knights of Cydonia The or,s are rotations:D I think it,s a whole lot better than what we got so far..... Bury the past,rob us blind and leave nothing [but a shit setlist] behind. Just stare....and live the nightmare:LOL: JFK into Reapers? Also Revolt as main set closer? Why not SS which is now somewhere mid set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) JFK into Reapers? This is what Muse are currently doing so I think she took inspiration from that. Edited January 19, 2016 by ryanp16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndris Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 This is what Muse are currently doing so I think he took inspiration from that. Fair enough. But if I were to make a setlist that appealed a bit more to all the fans (so including us) I'd at least put Defector behind JFK. Because this is just... I don't know why Muse do it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriAr Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Yeah, I'd just walk out if that happened. You should abuse your mod powers and ban Matt if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Still less puzzling than Prelude (which they never played in the T2L era iirc) into Starlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 when there's upwards of over 10,000 people at a show, you can't chat with several people and then make generalizations off of that, that's just ridiculous. even if you talked to 50 people per show and have been to every US show with an average attendance of 9K you've spoken to .5% of the population. sharing opinions is fine, but don't act like you can accurately speak for everyone attending this tour. Then don't take my word for it look at the numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 on a happy note, the set is evolving to something a lot more fun, so let's hope that trend continues. Great, so the East Coast can get an awesome set two tours in a row and the West Coast fans are idiots as usual for having the audacity to show up and expect a comparable set. Not to mention it's another opportunity for everyone on the East Coast regularly getting good good sets to tell us to stop complaining. Now people doing New York back to back can get more rotation and more variety than I did in five dates that were 5 hours driving distsance from each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Dallas and Houston weren't bad, except for the tech failures and long wait. Bliss at one and CE at another, and both with an extra Drones song. If I could retroactively pick to see a gig, it would be either of those. And theyre still in Canada. There's plenty of time for the to roll back FG and Resistance into the good slots for the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel_Tufnel Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) I'd be more accepting of all the singles if they ever changed them up even a bit. As it is, all the older material is played without any interesting updates. Same intro and outro riffs (Man with a Harmonica, House of the Rising Sun, Who Knows Who, Back in Black etc.) MWAH is now even more redundant because it sounds a lot like the intro to Globalist. Every Muse concert that I've seen has had the same group of songs in the set list. Starlight, SMBH, KoC, Hysteria, Uprising, UD, Resistance, TIRO...the only changes being that Matt doesn't play the guitar (or keytar) on certain songs. Even the supposed "rarity" at our Detroit show was Map which I've now seen at 4 out of the 5 shows that I've attended. There were no surprises in the whole set unless you count the fact that they didn't bother playing a piano song. SURPRISE! As much as I enjoyed hearing most of the newer Drones material, the rest of the concert had more of a been-there-done-that feel. It was the first Muse concert I've attended that actually seemed to drag on despite the short set length. Mind you it didn't help that we had to sit through Drones playback twice, they bunch Starlight/Madness/UD all together and Globalist seemed to go on forever with a lot of people not even paying attention. Edited January 19, 2016 by Nigel_Tufnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) On another note, people say that Muse have been giving a particularly bad treatment to their US fans for years, but looking at last tour's sets, that statement doesn't really hold. In terms of rarities, the 2nd US Arena leg got Fury (!), Butterflies & Hurricanes (!!), Sunburn, Agitated, Unnatural Selection, Neutron Star Collision (still) and streching it a bit, Citizen Erased. Also Sign o' the Times in the first leg. Compare that with Europe's Falling Down, Sunburn, Host intro and Ruled by Secrecy. Not that bad. Edited January 19, 2016 by Zepp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Most were only once, and Europe got the stadiums before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 You're right but RBS was also a one-shot, and Falling Down and Host quickly disappeared. As for the stadium leg, I suppose they're not big enough in the US so what can be done about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monktbd Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 And theyre still in Canada. There's plenty of time for the to roll back FG and Resistance into the good slots for the US. I expect Resistance to be back at least once if not twice for the next three gigs. Unfortunately that is. I am not sure why quite a few are raving about how much the setlists got better now. Comparing Toronto to Quebec City 1 we have CE/Resistance or Map/PiB. Still nothing from Showbiz. Besides the reapers out experiment in the states, USoEA, Feeling Good the setlists are pretty similar and well getting to of the better rotation songs compared to getting two of the worst is still not that much of an improvement. I mean sure two better songs in comapred to two rather boring ones makes a difference but there is still so much more potential. As long as they keep the Madness/UD combo and they won't add any songs it will stay subpar. I am surprised that they keep that many resistance songs in there while T2L only has one (not counting IS obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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