Jobby Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Also, you basically ignored the main point of my post. Because I didn't really understand why you were going off on one. Also, so did you and mine was much shorter I never said I didn't understand why they did it or even that they shouldn't. Just that, personally, I'm not the song's biggest fan and it's unfortunate for me and the countless other fans who are bored to death of it that it's probs gonna stay this way 'til they split up. Edit: That said, there weren't exactly mass complaints from casuals when it wasn't closing as much during T2L. Edited February 12, 2017 by Jobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01FromFinland Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Edit: That said, there weren't exactly mass complaints from casuals when it wasn't closing as much during T2L. I really hope you're talking about T2L tour and not the summer stadiums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 and besides, most bands have a standard for closer song. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I really hope you're talking about T2L tour and not the summer stadiums. Both. Guitarless Starlight's a naff closer (though I'd still rather see it again than Knights - another for this thread) but it wasn't casual fans complaining about it iirc. Even something new that wasn't even really a hit in Survival went down perfectly fine. So actually, thinking about, I guess there really isn't any reason why they can't at least rotate closers more often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I really hope you're talking about T2L tour and not the summer stadiums. Are you surprised that it wouldn't be a closer? Because sorry but that was the case. http://www.setlist.fm/search?artist=53d6ebd5&query=tour:%28The+Unsustainable+Tour%29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Remember in 2014 when they opened with their best closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Remember in 2014 when they opened with their best closer. They haven't opened with Bliss since '06? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01FromFinland Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Both. Guitarless Starlight's a naff closer (though I'd still rather see it again than Knights - another for this thread) Someone give this man the title of The Absolute Madman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DifferentPerson Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I have no problems with a band always closing with the same song as long as it's a decent song (which Knights is IMO) that gets a good crowd reaction, and the overall set is good. Of course it is nice to change things up now and then, especially when a band have as many good closing songs as Muse do. But I think there are bigger issues with Muse setlists that should be fixed before worrying about the closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01FromFinland Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I have no problems with a band always closing with the same song as long as it's a decent song (which Knights is IMO) that gets a good crowd reaction, and the overall set is good. Of course it is nice to change things up now and then, especially when a band have as many good closing songs as Muse do. But I think there are bigger issues with Muse setlists that should be fixed before worrying about the closer. /topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Honestly I preferred guitarless Starlight as a closer over Knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I really don't care if Muse brings back Muscle Museum or any of their songs from Showbiz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I went through a phase where I would've murdered to see Muscle Museum but, yeah, I'm weirdly not as fussed anymore. Think the only reason I'd particularly wanna see it nowadays would be to fulfill younger me's dream, I guess. Still massively keen for HT&ILY and Showbiz though. Bet Showbiz in particular would be fucking rude at a club gig, imagine the crowd reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I went through a phase where I would've murdered to see Muscle Museum but, yeah, I'm weirdly not as fussed anymore. Think the only reason I'd particularly wanna see it nowadays would be to fulfill younger me's dream, I guess. Still massively keen for HT&ILY and Showbiz though. Bet Showbiz in particular would be fucking rude at a club gig, imagine the crowd reaction. Actually, it would be awesome to see the song Showbiz live (if Matt can still hit the notes), but I would honestly prefer it with the extended bass and drum intro that was on the album as opposed to just starting with guitar like in most live performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I really don't understand your point. It's easily their best-known song to mainstream, it's not nearly as bad as what they could do(like, you know, go back to closing with Starlight or hell, even use Uprising as closer). ''It was overused by 2011'', dude, that's just childish. Knights, as a composition is made for being a closer. If you'd want to see something like TaB closing, well, I see your point, but I think the 20,000 other people would rather see it as the first of 3 songs in encore. I'd rather have Knights closing sets with variety setlists than more of absolute disasters like this http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/muse/2016/hartwall-areena-helsinki-finland-5bfe075c.html And that set is not shit because of Knights. That set was ironically better than the majority of the US tour... I've seen Muse 5 times, and KoC closed less than half of those gigs. No one cares where they see it, as long as they see it. No one's bitching that they saw KoC in the beginning or middle of a set instead of closing it... That's absurd. And yes, absolutely, MWAH needs to fuck off. It's well worn out it's welcome, and it's another glaring waste of time when the band claims they can't play more songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I've seen Muse 8 times and had KoC as a closer on all but two - the 2013 gigs being the odd ones out. I still enjoy it, and to some degree, I still enjoy Man with a Harmonica as an opener. But as Harmonica has been the KoC prelude for almost 9 years, surely there's a real lack of imagination in keeping it around. Honestly I preferred guitarless Starlight as a closer over Knights. I got the idea why the band had the idea of using Starlight as a closer, as a mid-tempo singalong to end the night is not the absolute worst idea, is certainly a different example, and the song is one of Muse's big songs, but compared with Survival or Knights, it felt oddly anti-climactic, and Matt jumping around instead of guitar-playing just looked a bit odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanp16 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Those stadium gigs would've been so much better if they switched the two encores and ended on Uns, PiB and Survival. That'd have been a great finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forevermusic Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Those stadium gigs would've been so much better if they switched the two encores and ended on Uns, PiB and Survival. That'd have been a great finale. Yeah that could've worked, although I did think Undisclosed Desires into Unsustainable worked. Maybe have UD, Unsustainable, Uprising and Startits,, then IS, PiB and Survival as the finale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Honestly, as little sense as Starlight made at the time, I actually started to like it, at least from a screen. it felt very sentimental and the song actually packed more of an emotional punch when played like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I can understand their playing their biggest hit as a closer, and I don't really mind. It just felt weird the first time because I wasn't expecting them to close with Starlight so I had this "huh? Is that it?" moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I can understand their playing their biggest hit as a closer, and I don't really mind. It just felt weird the first time because I wasn't expecting them to close with Starlight so I had this "huh? Is that it?" moment. Starlight is their biggest hit? I mean, I always assumed it was Uprising, which I would honestly prefer as a closer over Starlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I don't think they have an out-and-out biggest hit. You can narrow it down to a small bunch and, even then, it differs between countries/continents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Not sure if it is objectively their biggest hit, but they see and treat it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I don't think they have an out-and-out biggest hit. You can narrow it down to a small bunch and, even then, it differs between countries/continents. Now that's also true. I think their highest charting one in the US is Uprising, but I don't know about other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Their biggest hit in the US was Madness, by far. Starlight does remain their most universally recognized hit, though, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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