Hat Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Messaging from a toilet on New Years, lol. Anyway, Muse doing electronic driven pop is not experimental, since they had already done it. They had already written songs in 5/4, and they had already done symphonic rock. Dabbling with different genres was literally what they had done for the past 2 albums. So what they did was to try on brostep and a choir. That's literally the level of experimenting that pretty much every band does between albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 They had already written songs in 5/4 On what song prior to Animals? I can't recall them having done that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Agitated outro riff for example iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Agitated outro riff for example iirc. Really? *goes back and checks* Huh, that's a different outro riff than the one I remember. Maybe it was because they were playing something else on the Hullabaloo DVD version of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 iirc Blackout, RBS, TaB are in 3/4, Exo 2 has some 3/4 sections, Exo 1 is 6/8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 iirc Blackout, RBS, TaB are in 3/4, Exo 2 has some 3/4 sections, Exo 1 is 6/8 Those aren't as uncommon as 5/4, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Maybe it was because they were playing something else on the Hullabaloo DVD version of it. Yeah, that'd be the Township Rebellion riff Edit: also I second fabri's huh on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yeah, that'd be the Township Rebellion riff Right, that's the one! Also, while we're at it, many of Matt's hairstyles in the early years of Muse just looked silly. (Particularly the spiked hair from Hullabaloo.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 The fact that a guy who was like..22 thought it was cool to draw veins on his arms is cringey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Soldier's Poem is 3/4 iirc, just to give that a shout. Aren't some parts of Assassin in like 6/4 or something as well, or am I making that up? The fact that a guy who was like..22 thought it was cool to draw veins on his arms is cringey. Because his mum wouldn't let him get it tattooed as well Christ, she dodged him a bullet on that one. Let's be honest though, Matt's cringe-factor has never gone away (and never will). It's one of his more endearing traits imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Aren't some parts of Assassin in like 6/4 or something as well, or am I making that up? Hmm, I just listened back to Assassin (both the original and the extended edit) and I can't hear what you're thinking of. Maybe you're referring to Hoodoo? Let's be honest though, Matt's cringe-factor has never gone away (and never will). It's one of his more endearing traits imo The fact that a guy who was like..22 thought it was cool to draw veins on his arms is cringey. I think of Matt as less of a "cool guy rocker" type and more of the David Byrne "knows he's a complete nerd and weirdo but does nothing to hide it" type. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puDTZAlCv4A Because let's face it: if one of these days, Matt comes out on stage wearing a comically oversized suit like that, would any of you really be surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Because let's face it: if one of these days, Matt comes out on stage wearing a comically oversized suit like that, would any of you really be surprised? That said, the red hair looked nice at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Oh wow, I didn't even remember that. I mean, I obviously remember the sunglasses, but not the rest. I do remember his puffy Panic Station outfit, though. That said, the red hair looked nice at times. I thought it looked good with his red shirt in the Bliss video. I also think that his blue and blonde hair looked alright, too. I'm glad he's stopped dying it, though, as I've heard that excessive dying can cause your hair to fall out (though I'm not sure how accurate that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisF Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yep, in Assassin parts of the verses are in 6/4 for definite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) Those aren't as uncommon as 5/4, though. Uncommon =/= Experimental Take Five and Mars, The Bringer Of War are hardly 'experimental' pieces, but both in 5/4. I've done stuff in 5/4, still just as shite as the stuff in 4/4. Musicians will tend to experiment far more than their released output. Edited January 1, 2017 by haze015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Off the top of my head there are time signatures variations in Hoodoo, Assassin, Unnatural Selection, Butterflies & Hurricanes (the bridge), I think Micro Cuts (the verses) too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyjackk Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yeah all of those ^ have different metres throughout Micro Cuts has some 6/4 bars in the verses Hoodoo uses para-metres Assassin uses 2/4 in the verses in some bars but you can argue it just remains in 4/4 if you really wanted to Butterflies has some 3/4 and I think 2 or 3 7/8 bars in the piano solo I can't really remember but I think the lead sheet I used for an arrangement had that Unnatural Selection uses a swung 6/8 in the bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 This is a last page topic but an album that is experimental only in reference to the band and not in a wider musical context can still be considered an experimental album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 This is a last page topic but an album that is experimental only in reference to the band and not in a wider musical context can still be considered an experimental album.Yeah but like I said, most of what they did on T2L they had already done before. And simply bringing in some dub step elements and a choir isn't enough to be considered wildly experimental imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 This is a last page topic but an album that is experimental only in reference to the band and not in a wider musical context can still be considered an experimental album. Any album could be considered experimental if only considered within the context of those musicians. However reinvention is probably more appropriate than experimental in this particular context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zepp Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I'm willing to accept the idea that T2L is experimental in the context of Muse (though they have done stuff before that was more interestingly experimental), it's just that it's mostly bad experimenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 it's just that it's mostly bad experimenting. Maybe it's experimenting that you don't personally like, but that doesn't make it objectively bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHappySpaceman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Also, Matt needs to bring back the doubleneck and the keytar on Resistance and Undisclosed Desires, respectively. (Especially the doubleneck.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 T2L is the professionally-made, full album equivalent of when I made an abominable instrumental funk track for a laugh when I was like 15. It's not experimenting, it's messing about. (imo) Also, Matt needs to bring back the doubleneck and the keytar on Resistance and Undisclosed Desires, respectively. (Especially the doubleneck.) That would involve keeping UD around, which gets a no from me (and fortunately seems to finally be getting edged out by the band as well). Obvs I'd rather Resistance was bunked off as well but it's super popular with other people so I'm relatively fine with that and thankful it's not an out-and-out staple as it is. Also, I probably prefer it without the double-neck 'cause that came in tandem with an extra 1/2-minute intro iirc and I'd rather just get the song over with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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