Bells Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Lamentable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeeeem Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Those TV visuals for New Born/Stockholm aren't very good, they really should bring back the space invaders and OoS visuals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mskatie Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Who is Obama dancing with in the Panic Station visuals? The President of China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn. Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 i see why they do this, they want to end in a friendly, light-hearted way. One of the best endings for a pop gig. But we want rock and action! Bring back Survival or Knights for closers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen_Eraser Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I feel like I need to sum up all the crap that there is to complain about on this tour. So many amazing things about this tour are being diluted by so many SHIT decisions. Good: amazing stage, intro is kinda cool, dead star and other great songs being brought back (bliss, blackout, butterflies n hurricanes possibly and more likely with rotations) Horrible: No guitar for matt during BLACKOUT!? No guitar on starlight, CLOSING WITH STARLIGHT!? GL being brought back with shitty sounding electronic drums and Matt not playing anything but the solo (lazy as fuck). Matt trying to be bono. Unsustainable being ruined by the giant cheesy robot. Do I have to go further? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Setlist wise I don't think it's very bad at all. The ordering makes things seems shit because the 2nd encore is a pain and they close with Starlight. But if they had started the tour with this set bringing back Sunburn, Dead Star, Bliss, Dracula Mountain, Blackout, and 26 songs I don't think there would be much complaining. Anyone who was really expecting more shuffle slots than what's been leaked was expecting too much. Performance-wise Muse are still on top of it this tour but only when they actually perform fully. That's where I feel the stadium shows are kind of bringing back the mentality of a few years ago where it was show > performance. They have a great stage that manages to be awesome while being unintrusive yet they still somehow choose to cut back on the aspects that make them a band. Unintended is the only one I think works with a different arrangement but the rest just suffer from handing off stuff to Morgan/backing tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 When USoE started I thought for sure we were getting Butterflies. Then the green lights came on and boom; Dead Star. Only took 11 gigs to finally see it. Badass. Hoping to catch it at least 1-2 more times this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Setlist wise I don't think it's very bad at all. The ordering makes things seems shit because the 2nd encore is a pain and they close with Starlight. I don't think people really are THAT thick that they don't realise this. Most of the setist compains ARE about the second encore and Starlight specifically. Tbh I don't mind if they don't rotate that much. They're playing a fair variety of songs, with a bunch of rarities mixed in, and also longer sets, which was exactly what I asked for last tour. ("Make the setlists longer and have a better spread OR mix things up more") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiabledwarf Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Went to my 10th Muse gig last night and as sad as I am to say it this might possibly be my last (stadium gig anyway). I say this not because I don't continue to love their music but because it's become more of a show than a live performance. Everything is so staged it's just Muse by numbers rather than the spontaneity they used to have. I can now see why they perform the songs they do. Most of the crowd are casual Musers and hardly know any of the older songs. Hardly anyone near me moved to Deadstar and if I had a quid everytime I heard someone say "I don't know this one" I would be a very rich man! The only real interaction came for PIB, TIRO, Knights and New Born. Hell, even FG got a better reaction than bliss and Deadstar and the slow section was just horrible! And personally I think leaving Hysteria, SS and MOTP out of the set altogether is mad! How other songs get player over them I'll never know. All this prancing around that Matt does is just wrong. I really do think he believes he is now some kind of A lister being engaged to a movie star. Just get back to what you do best FFS, like playing the god damn guitar and rocking out! One other thing. It was just far too quiet. I could still hear people speaking over Supremacy when it kicked in. On a positive note the visuals and stage set up were fantastic. Best I've ever seen and the muse money was a nice idea. I don't think we will ever see the Muse of old again I'm afraid so there is no point moaning about it anymore. They are catering to the masses not the hardcore fans who want to see the rarities come out. The fact that they brought back DS shows they do consider the older fans but there just isn't enough room to please everyone. Just embrace or move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I don't think we will ever see the Muse of old again I'm afraid so there is no point moaning about it anymore. They are catering to the masses not the hardcore fans who want to see the rarities come out. Just embrace or move on.Where were you during the TR tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiabledwarf Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Where were you during the TR tour? I think the Wembley gig in 2010 I went to was much more of a performance than this one albeit the signs of commercialism were already starting to kick in. At least they played their instruments and most of the crowd knew all the songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleasure Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I agree with everything but you make it sound like its Muse's fault that crowd doesn´t know all their songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I agree with everything but you make it sound like its Muse's fault that crowd doesn´t know all their songs. It kinda is when they never play them (until now).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Honestly, this is just getting tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purpleasure Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 It kinda is when they never play them (until now).... I don't see how that is related. I have never seen them live and knew about them through internet, was interested and searched for their songs. I guess it depens on the person if they want to know more about the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil2211 Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Anyone got the false start to SMBH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Anyone got the false start to SMBH? Confused the hell out of us at first. We were like "wat is dis" and then Matt shouted "FUCK" and they stopped. Lel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I think the Wembley gig in 2010 I went to was much more of a performance than this one albeit the signs of commercialism were already starting to kick in. At least they played their instruments and most of the crowd knew all the songs Wembley was pretty much one of the few exceptions to 2 years of cut and paste static shows the band put on. I don't see how that is related. I have never seen them live and knew about them through internet, was interested and searched for their songs. I guess it depens on the person if they want to know more about the band. It sort of gets into this circle though. People don't research, then Muse decides it's not worth playing to a minority of fans. Then people who go to the gig never experience the songs and the casual continues to grow. Dead Star, for example, is a single, and rather popular one overseas. It could still be well known but it's been pretty absent for the past few years. There's been more performances in half of 2013 than there was in 2009-2012. You could also blame it on crowds not giving a fuck when it's a song they don't know. I can't back the statement up but it seems like a rather recent thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 At least they played their instruments and most of the crowd knew all the songsOh right, so they should just cater to the casuals then, so that everyone in the crowd will know the songs. But wait a second. They are catering to the masses not the hardcore fans who want to see the rarities come out. well....okay? The fact that they brought back DS shows they do consider the older fans but there just isn't enough room to please everyone. No, not if you're not happy with getting a non-album single from 2002, a song off their first album, and then a couple of songs from each album after that. It's kinda hard to please those who want more than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipso Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Did he think they were playing Panic Station or something? He didn't even have his guitar ready to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Oh right, so they should just cater to the casuals then, so that everyone in the crowd will know the songs. But wait a second. well....okay? I thought he was more saying that a more knowledgeable fanbase was around for the last London stadium shows where as this one seemed more filled with casuals. No, not if you're not happy with getting a non-album single from 2002, a song off their first album, and then a couple of songs from each album after that. It's kinda hard to please those who want more than everyone else. But I agree with this. I would be more than happy for that kind of set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 On another note, New Born has not changed tempo at all, in contrast to a few people saying it was faster. [YT] [/YT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn. Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Wembley was pretty much one of the few exceptions to 2 years of cut and paste static shows the band put on. I don't care if they copy/paste this setlist, with two exceptions, the last part of the slow section (GL/UD) and Starlight closer. The actual show is more than good, with a great and long set, rarities, and the better stage they never had. Change these two details and this could be their best tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I thought he was more saying that a more knowledgeable fanbase was around for the last London stadium shows where as this one seemed more filled with casuals. But how would that be relevant to a discussion regarding Muse as a live band? Oh wait, I'm assuming people can actually concentrate on one thing long enough to stay on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I don't care if they copy/paste this setlist, with two exceptions, the last part of the slow section (GL/UD) and Starlight closer. The actual show is more than good, with a great and long set, rarities, and the better stage they never had. Change these two details and this could be their best tour For the TR tour the copy and paste quality of the gigs was for more than just the setlist. But how would that be relevant to a discussion regarding Muse as a live band? Oh wait, I'm assuming people can actually concentrate on one thing long enough to stay on the subject. I can only argue for a person so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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