The Dying Atheist Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) Hi all šš½Ā Given that we have more than 2 months to wait before the release, Iād like to challenge your imagination on what will the album sound like.Ā Ā Since the latest NME interview gave us some spoilers about the lyrics of unreleased songs, it seems to me that the whole thing smells pure Muse anger (lyrics wise at least). However I can say I was personally quite disappointed by Wonāt Stand Down, except maybe when it gets heavier by the end.Ā Compliance is simply not my cup of tea. WOTP is catchy but somewhat ridiculous. I only find grace with Kill or be Killed, which is thankfully welcomed in the Pantheon of the best Muse songs (might rise to my own top 10). So I can only hope for the six future songs left to reach that level, and quite curious about what will it actually be.Ā Lyrics of the piano ballad Liberation are showing us the orientation : Ā« You make us feel silenced, You stole the airwaves but the air belongs to us, And violence, Youāll make us turn to violence, We have plans to take you down, We intend to erase your place in history Ā». Lyrics again are quite explicit in You Make Me Feel Like Itās Halloween : Ā« Weāre at death door, Another world war, wildfires and earthquakes I foresaw, A life in crisis, A deadly virus, Tsunamis of hate are gonna drown us Ā» Itās as much bold in We are fucking fucked who advise us to Ā« stockpile Ā». Thematically the album will range from paranoia of future war to loss of loved ones (Ghost (How can I move on)), and even domestic violence during the lockdown (YMMFLIH). Hence itās very difficult to know now what will sound the future Muse, but I hope Iāll come across another 3-4 songs that really trigger me in WOTP, that would be a good ratio regarding the 5 last albums.Ā What are your thoughts ? Edited June 13, 2022 by The Dying Atheist Mistake corrections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) After reading the NME article in which Matt finally does get explicit about his politics and is directly asked about the seemingly antivaxx and dark right culture war sentiments expressed on the new album, I think we can put a lot of this ongoing discussion to rest.Ā Surprisingly, heās not being vague and heās not avoiding the potential alienation of a part of the fan base by being explicit about his views this time. More surprisingly, the new songs are apparently trying to say the exact opposite of what his lyrics sound like theyāre saying. Will of the People is not a dumb song about righteous people reclaiming power, itās a song mocking dumb people fighting the system Ā against their own interest. Compliance is not antivaxx or even inspired by CoVid lockdowns. Liberation is not a Capitol Insurrectionist anthem, itās inspired by BLM, etc. Of course one can still be critical of his choice of words (in the lyrics) and his failure to be more explicit about denouncing specific groups or sentiments, but perhaps itās really just more clumsiness than an attempt to please a broad audience. He seemed generally surprised by the idea that his lyrics can be interpreted in a way he didnāt intend them to. His āextremes on both sides are badā clichĆ© is a bit of a cop out still as well, but the issues heās explicit about match the left leaning libertarianism heās expressed in the past, with only ācommunismā being mentioned as an example of the left taking things too far.Ā Either way, I can now sing along to the new songs without worrying that Iām endorsing things I donāt agree with.Ā Edited June 14, 2022 by That Little Animal 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentgod86 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 2 hours ago, That Little Animal said: Will of the People is not a dumb song about righteous people reclaiming power, itās a song mocking dumb people fighting the system Ā against their own interest.Ā Looking forwardĀ to seeing Uprising dropped from the set then.... Ā Quote Interchanging mind controlCome, let the revolution take its tollIf you could flick the switch and open your third eyeYou'd see that we should never be afraid to die something something red tape...something something ... green belt Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Silentgod86 said: Looking forwardĀ to seeing Uprising dropped from the set then.... Ā Ā He seems to suggest that Uprising does indeed reflect a sentiment he looks different at now. Not sure if that means he should drop it then, but it does mean I was right to dislike it .Ā āItās like a populist parody, almost the antithesisĀ ,ā Matt says. āWhereas āUprisingā was almost populist but taking it seriously, āWill Of The Peopleā is almost, āDo we know that weāre stupid now? Do we know how silly this sounds and looks?ā Inside of me, thereās always been this little bit of a conflict between the desire for direct democracy and a bit more actual power to the people, but then at the same time realising that sometimes the people can be madā¦Ā Edited June 14, 2022 by That Little Animal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentgod86 Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) Matt being self aware? Has hell frozen over? Edited June 14, 2022 by Silentgod86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted June 14, 2022 Share Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Silentgod86 said: Matt being self aware? Has he'll frozen over? Itās a good read, a relief actually, that whole interview. Also validating to see the interviewer bring up some of the concerns Iāve been having. Now someone just needs to ask him about Marylin Mansonās intellectual property and the world is in balance again.Ā Itās also great to see the exploding minds of a certain faction of Museās Facebook following in the comments when they shared this article. Poor souls went straight from āI love this band for standing up to the plandemic/woke oppression/WEF/Ministry of Truthā to āStick to music and stay away from politics.ā Love it!Ā Edited June 14, 2022 by That Little Animal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallyPissed Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 6:11 AM, That Little Animal said: After reading the NME article in which Matt finally does get explicit about his politics and is directly asked about the seemingly antivaxx and dark right culture war sentiments expressed on the new album, I think we can put a lot of this ongoing discussion to rest.Ā Surprisingly, heās not being vague and heās not avoiding the potential alienation of a part of the fan base by being explicit about his views this time. More surprisingly, the new songs are apparently trying to say the exact opposite of what his lyrics sound like theyāre saying. Will of the People is not a dumb song about righteous people reclaiming power, itās a song mocking dumb people fighting the system Ā against their own interest. Compliance is not antivaxx or even inspired by CoVid lockdowns. Liberation is not a Capitol Insurrectionist anthem, itās inspired by BLM, etc. Of course one can still be critical of his choice of words (in the lyrics) and his failure to be more explicit about denouncing specific groups or sentiments, but perhaps itās really just more clumsiness than an attempt to please a broad audience. He seemed generally surprised by the idea that his lyrics can be interpreted in a way he didnāt intend them to. His āextremes on both sides are badā clichĆ© is a bit of a cop out still as well, but the issues heās explicit about match the left leaning libertarianism heās expressed in the past, with only ācommunismā being mentioned as an example of the left taking things too far.Ā Either way, I can now sing along to the new songs without worrying that Iām endorsing things I donāt agree with.Ā I tried telling everyone this at the beginning, but I digress. As an American, what I found amusing was when Matt contended to being libertarian about issues concerning one's private life (such as gender identity and the like), while being socialist in other areas - referring to this as meta-centrism. In my country, when one says the government should stay out of our private lives, they're branded as liberals, and when they declare the government should intervene on the economic side of things, in order to make the system more fair for everyone, once again, they're labeled as liberals. So, at least in the U.S., Matt's "meta-centrism" would be viewed as being stationed somewhere between "liberal" and "liberal." ...and yes, I'm perfectly fine with that (I'm the same way), but just found it funny. lol. As a side-note, since Matt has explicitly stated what the intent/message is of the album, I'll now be curious to see, upon its release, if there are any lazy critics who ignore said explanations and, in their reviews, falsely claim that "Will of the People" is an anti-vaxxer, pro-insurrection, right-wing paradise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternallyPissed Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 8:24 AM, Silentgod86 said: Looking forwardĀ to seeing Uprising dropped from the set then.... Ā Ā Yeah, that's not going to happen, but come on - if every inoffensive, vague utterance from 13 years ago could be used against us today in a context which wasn't present then, we'd all be in trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeBreakerShyOutsider Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 I lost my account when they revamped the website and had kind of stopped listening and caring much about Muse right after Simulation Theory but it looks like I'm getting excited over this band again. Anyway Compliance has grown on me recently, I've found myself listening to it on repeat in the last few days even though it didn't impress me when it was released. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo59 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 I haven't been keeping up with the band. When is KOKB being officially released? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeBreakerShyOutsider Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 I don't think we have a date yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentgod86 Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 About a week ago, Matt said it would be released in a couple weeks so I would presume at most 14 days from now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 16 hours ago, Silentgod86 said: About a week ago, Matt said it would be released in a couple weeks so I would presume at most 14 days from now. When was this? I mean where's the quote from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentgod86 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 https://www.musewiki.org/St._Gallen_FestivalgelƤnd_2022_(gig) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentgod86 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 Confirmed on Twitter, Kill or be Killed will be released July 21st. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo59 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 30 second clip.Ā Ā Haven't listened with earphones but on my crappy laptop speaker the drums sound a bit...overproduced? Idk, it's a problem I've had with Muse's production since Drones or even T2L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentgod86 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 It's taken from a TikTok stream so I imagine there's an extra layer of compression there. I'll reserve judgment until next week but hope to God the mixing isn't the shitshow that Won't Stand Down is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo59 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Yeah, hoping so too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Silentgod86 said: It's taken from a TikTok stream so I imagine there's an extra layer of compression there. I'll reserve judgment until next week but hope to God the mixing isn't the shitshow that Won't Stand Down is. If itās not a similar shitshow then listening to the full album will be the same jarring inconsistent experience as listening the OOS anniversary remiXX. Iām not sure ifĀ inconsistency with the occasional standout is better thanĀ consistent shittiness.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeBreakerShyOutsider Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Where are the leaks tho?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeBreakerShyOutsider Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Well it has leaked apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudia O Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) Yes, I read about it but I wait until tomorrow š Edited July 21, 2022 by Claudia O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUSEli Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 The first review of the full WOTP is in MOJO, the author gave 4 stars out of 5 and called WOTP "their mid-career highlight". Song-wise, he compared Liberation to Bohemian Rhapsody, and We're Fucking Fucked to the work of The Dead Kennedys. He also wrote that Ghosts is a "heart-wrenching piano ballad".Ā Knowing these new facts, I tried to predict the remaining new songs' nature compared to existing Muse songs. Liberation: described as a piano song and a "roller-coaster pocket opera", compared to Queen, especially BoRhap. (United States of Eurasia, Survival) Ghosts: this is the "Adele song", described as a "heart-wrenching piano ballad". (Endlessly?) Halloween: described as "a spooktronic electronic track", it might bear similarities to MK Ultra and The Dark Side. Verona: it's been mentioned that there are "nostalgic and innocent electronic textures" in this song. Therefore it might be comparable to Bliss and Explorers. Euphoria: "a lightning bolt rush of a song", I think that the mystery Apollo riff belongs to this song. It highly depends on the further arrangements, but based on the riff, this track may be similar to Exo Politics and Unnatural Selection. We're Fucking Fucked: "the weirdest, darkest lost B-side, the anthem of the apocalypse", it's compared to the work of Dead Kennedys by MOJO. (Ashamed, Hyper Music, The Small Print) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 So it's out. It's basically Assassin Pt.2 really, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo59 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I think I like it. From the solo to the end is my fav part.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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