MartianSpaghettiRider Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 For some inexplicable reason reading that reminded me of the time Trent Reznor took a shit in one of Muse's flight cases. Did such a thing really happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remco1993 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I can't think of many arena/stadium bands with 5+ albums that play for less time than Muse tbh. I'd say the average for a band of their size, reputation, discography, ticket prices etc. is at least 2 hours. I saw Coldplay on their arena tour in 2011, when they were promoting their fifth album, and they only played for 85 minutes. So yes, it could be worse They didn't do it in Amsterdam last week, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueEyedFloozy Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 If there's complaints about Muse stretching time because of changing guitars, you should never go to a Mumford and Sons concert. I saw them last year, and everytime they switched a guitar it took them at least a minute, if not more. I barely noticed the guitar changes they were so quick: I didn't notice any physical changeovers except the couple right in front of me and only realised when I noticed the guitar had changed colour. And I was, er, keeping quite the close eye on Mr Bellamy most of the time. I saw Coldplay on their arena tour in 2011, when they were promoting their fifth album, and they only played for 85 minutes. So yes, it could be worse Yeah, they could be Coldplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 If there's complaints about Muse stretching time because of changing guitars, you should never go to a Mumford and Sons concert. I saw them last year, and everytime they switched a guitar it took them at least a minute, if not more. They also bantered a lot more, with one exceptionally long break with one of the band members trying to come up with dutch football players that played in the Premier League. Compared to that, Muse plays a really tight show with one song following the other. And barely any banter, which to me is a good thing. I think that's fair enough though considering they only had two albums when they became huge and suddenly had to headline stuff. You shouldn't need filler when you're seven albums deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 They didn't do it in Amsterdam last week, though... Doesn't change the fact that it's more than an improv/one time thing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyjackk Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Doesn't change the fact that it's more than an improv/one time thing though. I think it's more down to Matt trying to do it for dramatic effect than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I didn't even know that was a thing until now... In DC he got a drink of water during the pause, so it just really seemed like an impromptu thing. Were there gigs in between where they didn't do it, or were they all sequential? I'm less likely to think it was to build up tension, since the band hasn't really done anything spontaneous on this tour, apparently. Some sort of technical thing...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I think it's more down to Matt trying to do it for dramatic effect than anything.If that's the case and we judge it as that, does anyone actually like it? Imo it just ruins the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I saw Coldplay on their arena tour in 2011, when they were promoting their fifth album, and they only played for 85 minutes. So yes, it could be worse Well, obvs it could be worse, I'm talking about the average though. Like I said, if you wanna justify your ticket prices with "*shrug* same price as Pearl Jam innit" then you should probs aim to put a similar amount of effort into your sets. I'm not expecting 32-34 songs or 2.5+ hours, especially with Matt's voice as it is, but we've not even hit 18 for almost a year tmk. I think it's more down to Matt trying to do it for dramatic effect than anything. Yeah, I can't think of any other reason tbh. CE isn't all that demanding vocally and has pretty long instrumental parts where he could catch his breath or rest if he really needed to. Considering how much of a perfectionist he is, I doubt he'd stop a song like that just to get some water. If it was just a one-time thing then I'd put it down as a tech malfunction but I guess it's not? If that's the case and we judge it as that, does anyone actually like it? Imo it just ruins the whole thing. Don't think I've seen anyone mention it in a positive way, even on Reddit I'm not a massive fan of CE anyway but it definitely feels really awkward. Totally kills the build-up of the soft section's chorus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 It was funny in DC just because it appeared he was taking a casual water break. People laughed and cheered a bit. As a build up or something, no, it doesn't work at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel_Tufnel Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 If there's complaints about Muse stretching time because of changing guitars, you should never go to a Mumford and Sons concert. I saw them last year, and everytime they switched a guitar it took them at least a minute, if not more. They also bantered a lot more, with one exceptionally long break with one of the band members trying to come up with dutch football players that played in the Premier League. Compared to that, Muse plays a really tight show with one song following the other. And barely any banter, which to me is a good thing. Banter is not bad if the band is comfortable at engaging the crowd. Some vocalists can actually be quite entertaining between songs. Obviously, that's not Matt's thing. (I'm seeing Mumford and Sons next month. Then I can report back.) The Drones show that I saw just seemed "off" in so many ways. Too much playback Too much down time between songs Too much staring at the band's backs Too much playing in the dark behind video screens Too much been-there-done-that with their usual string of radio hits that they play in exactly the same way on every tour. Too much pop, not enough rock. The concert itself seemed to be a slave to the stage production which was so dysfunctional that it became a double whammy. The orbs wouldn't fly. The Reaper drone wouldn't fly. Even the piano failed to rise to the stage. It's like the whole production needed a Viagra to stay up. For what it's worth, the band was in good form on the songs that they did do but the concert never really got going. Every time the energy picked up, we got hit with Isolated System or Prelude or Undisclosed Desires or The Globalist or a second dose of Dronezzz. We know that Muse was capable of overcoming some adversity to blow away the Download Festival crowd. They can still rock it out when they want. It's just disappointing when their own concerts can't generate anything approaching that level of excitement. At least, it didn't for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozenbanana Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 This is so strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerbenletzer Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 I saw Coldplay on their arena tour in 2011, when they were promoting their fifth album, and they only played for 85 minutes. So yes, it could be worse They didn't do it in Amsterdam last week, though... Except they didn't use any fillers did they? Just a tight set of songs. If Muse would ditch all the filler and downtime, their sets would also be close to 90 minutes, with two more albums under their belt than Coldplay at the time. So, argument invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Heat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Did i miss something and Matt is in a wheelchair? Is he suddenly 95 years old? They play 17 songs for whatever reason, laziness/lack of motivation most probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Did i miss something and Matt is in a wheelchair? Is he suddenly 95 years old? They play 17 songs for whatever reason, laziness/lack of motivation most probably.No but you missed the countless of explanations and examples of Matt's decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Heat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 No but you missed the countless of explanations and examples of Matt's decline. Explanations you made up, because as far as we know they are lazy as fuck this tour. Matt singing not so good is an explanation to play it safe with setlists but not to cut down the set to 17 songs. He is not going to die if they play 22 songs every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Explanations you made up, because as far as we know they are lazy as fuck this tour. Matt singing not so good is an explanation to play it safe with setlists but not to cut down the set to 17 songs. He is not going to die if they play 22 songs every night.Matt's struggling to sing, so extending the setlists means singing for a longer period, which means he's gonna struggle even more the next day. Not rocket science. You don't have to be 90 years old for 3 extra songs at the end of a set to take a toll on your voice. There's a reason he can sing E5s at the first half of the gig during songs like Supremacy and Citizen Erased but not at the end of the gig during TaB. EDIT: Actually you suggested a change from 17 to 22 songs. You seriously don't see how 5 songs could make it significantly harder for him? Except they didn't use any fillers did they? Just a tight set of songs. If Muse would ditch all the filler and downtime, their sets would also be close to 90 minutes, with two more albums under their belt than Coldplay at the time. So, argument invalid.Assuming that person saw them in the Netherlands in 2011, Coldplay's set was 1 hour and 19 minutes long, just counting songs. Muse's was 1 hour and 21 minutes. Yeah, thank god we get those extra two minutes by a band with two more albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Heat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Matt's struggling to sing, so extending the setlists means singing for a longer period, which means he's gonna struggle even more the next day. Not rocket science. You don't have to be 90 years old for 3 extra songs at the end of a set to take a toll on your voice. There's a reason he can sing E5s at the first half of the gig during songs like Supremacy and Citizen Erased but not at the end of the gig during TaB. EDIT: Actually you suggested a change from 17 to 22 songs. You seriously don't see how 5 songs could make it significantly harder for him? I'm not asking for Micro Cuts, there are some good songs he could sing without much effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 We're not talking the Handler ending here. Since Paris, Matt has been struggling with "easy" stuff and songs already transposed down, too. Its fair to speculate that adding more songs, regardless of difficulty, might be a strain for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel_Tufnel Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) Time to bring back Liquid State, I guess T2L has been under represented on this tour anyway. Or maybe Steven Tyler isn't busy and can help them out. Edited March 18, 2016 by Nigel_Tufnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Slightly off the current topic, odds on Fury actually happening in Norway after all the request/promise back-outs so far? I'm thinking unlikely but it's one that Matt likes so maybe he'll bother to follow through on it. Or maybe Steven Tyler isn't busy and can help them out. Muse (+ Adam Lambert) 2018, just you wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel_Tufnel Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Muse (+ Adam Lambert) 2018, just you wait. I'm seeing the basis for one heck of a reality show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Fury's very easy vocally too they should play it more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Fury's very easy vocally too they should play it more often. But it's also dull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel_Tufnel Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 But it's also dull So what we want is...lots of exciting songs performed well. That's asking a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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