Bells Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Turning Debase Masons Grog into Assassin was a terrible mistake. I remember being so excited to hear the album version of that song when we heard it from the US tour and was massively disappointed. I remember when they first played it live in 2005 and I thought "this is going to be a fucking master piece. Definitely one of Muse's best songs to date". Assassin is not even in my top 30 favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Is there really much difference between DMG and GOB? Are you sure you've heard the songs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I remember when they first played it live in 2005 and I thought "this is going to be a fucking master piece. Definitely one of Muse's best songs to date". Assassin is not even in my top 30 favourites. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipso Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Are you sure you've heard the songs? Apart from the lyrics and a few guitar squeals, I really can't hear much of a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Apart from the lyrics and a few guitar squeals, I really can't hear much of a difference Listen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keth Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Apart from the lyrics and a few guitar squeals, I really can't hear much of a difference Drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipso Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Drums? Ok slightly different pattern but the parts where the drums are really prominent are at the same points in both songs. The structure is the same for everything else, it's just the lyrics and a few touches in the studio here and there that have been added. Also, I prefer the chorus of the BH&R version for the harmonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ok slightly different pattern but the parts where the drums are really prominent are at the same points in both songs. The structure is the same for everything else, it's just the lyrics and a few touches in the studio here and there that have been added. Also, I prefer the chorus of the BH&R version for the harmonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chagi Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Now all we need is an a capella of Assassin to combine with that instrumental and then... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHg-_Xy9ouU ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kojane Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I find the version of assassin on BH&R very.... boring.. if they play it live again they should play DMG (I've only heard it once and it was crap quality but it was better) or even GOB would be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ok slightly different pattern but the parts where the drums are really prominent are at the same points in both songs. The structure is the same for everything else, it's just the lyrics and a few touches in the studio here and there that have been added. Also, I prefer the chorus of the BH&R version for the harmonies. Okay lets go through it all: VERY different drumming Very different vocals, obviously no harmonies, and much more effects and reverb. Not to mention that the climax of the chorus isn't in the backing vocals. And overall the way the vocals are delivered is way different. Different lyrics. Different guitar at places. And that's just what I remember from last time I heard them both which was like a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Also wouldn't the part where the drums are the most prominent be the intro? Which is where they differ the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipso Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Okay lets go through it all: VERY different drumming Very different vocals, obviously no harmonies, and much more effects and reverb. Not to mention that the climax of the chorus isn't in the backing vocals. And overall the way the vocals are delivered is way different. Different lyrics. Different guitar at places. And that's just what I remember from last time I heard them both which was like a month ago. Ok drums I'll give you, I think they ended up being used for MotP. I wouldn't say the lack of harmonies was a major difference, and the audio quality isn't really good enough for any of the recordings to be able to tell whether Chris is doing any BV anyway. Delivery of vocals, maybe. Didn't really notice any difference, though that's probably on me. Different lyrics I've already conceded, but without looking at the microscopic detail, as far as I can tell they're the only major difference. One's the live version of the other, they're no more different than the live and studio versions of, say, Unsustainable. After all, the guitar tone for the live version Unsustainable is totally different, as is the tone for the string section. They're still the same song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Ok drums I'll give you, I think they ended up being used for MotP. I wouldn't say the lack of harmonies was a major difference, and the audio quality isn't really good enough for any of the recordings to be able to tell whether Chris is doing any BV anyway. Delivery of vocals, maybe. Didn't really notice any difference, though that's probably on me. Different lyrics I've already conceded, but without looking at the microscopic detail, as far as I can tell they're the only major difference. One's the live version of the other, they're no more different than the live and studio versions of, say, Unsustainable. After all, the guitar tone for the live version Unsustainable is totally different, as is the tone for the string section. They're still the same song. You really don't think there's a difference between having a different tone, and playing different patterns, chords and singing different vocals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Different chords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Different chords? I thought Matt played different notes in the intro? Probably wrong though I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 One's the live version of the other, they're no more different than the live and studio versions of, say, Unsustainable. After all, the guitar tone for the live version Unsustainable is totally different, as is the tone for the string section. They're still the same song. No. One's the ruined version of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I thought Matt played different notes in the intro? Probably wrong though I guess. Different notes but it's all the same progression. The verses also sound a bit more like the later live versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipso Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Yes. Also, Falling Down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipso Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 You really don't think there's a difference between having a different tone, and playing different patterns, chords and singing different vocals? There I was just talking about the different vocal delivery, roughly equivilant to different guitar tones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 There I was just talking about the different vocal delivery, roughly equivilant to different guitar tones. But then that's still just ONE thing out of all the examples I gave. Obviously what makes DMG and GOB so different are all their differences combined. I mean even the drums enough are reason to consider them very different. Then there's the vocals which I find miles above the GOB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 The drums are the biggest difference in the arrangement, but I think also the Absolution tone played a part in it. The guitars sound a lot weaker in the final version. The middle part of GOB is pretty close to what DGM was though. Feels like it was from earlier takes of what Assassin might have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DifferentPerson Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I don't know if this has been asked before, but do you think someone could combine the a capella vocals from Assassin with the Debase instrumental that Kueller made? I would love to hear that. And by someone I mean Kueller. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 I don't know if this has been asked before, but do you think someone could combine the a capella vocals from Assassin with the Debase instrumental that Kueller made? I would love to hear that. And by someone I mean Kueller. Cheers. Â I was originally going to do that (which is why it's the exact tempo as the original) but I went against it since it would the the modern lyrics and the vocals aren't nearly as powerful with the effects. I'll try it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zolic Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 The guitar parts in the verses of DMG is also much better imo. He played it like that a few times live after BHAR release as well. The mixing is really bad here but the verses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-exWI-hHUPs EDIT: why didn't I just link this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4GZgwxgh90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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