Hedrigall Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm thinking there's a possibility that The Globalist won't have the whistling or the chair crashing, and that they just did it as a joke for the DVD when it occurred to them that the chord progression was similar or something. I'm probably wrong though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm thinking there's a possibility that The Globalist won't have the whistling or the chair crashing, and that they just did it as a joke for the DVD when it occurred to them that the chord progression was similar or something. I'm probably wrong though I'm starting to hope that more and more, but I don't know anymore. The chair dropping sounds nothing like the gunshots in L'Arena, and Matt's out of tune whereas the original it's actually in tune. But the chord progressions are indeed nearly identical save for some changes in notation and the drum beat that comes soon after is identical to that of L'Arena. I'm just hoping they used the same progressions/drums rather than lift 2 minutes of that and jam it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandOmegaBoss Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 You'd think that hearing the making of would give us an idea of what to expect, but I have zero assumptions of what this track will sound like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopix Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 What's the chance it's a complete rip off? I just won't understand the logic of doing that if it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The making of made it seem pretty damn likely the beginning was a cover. I would assume the rest of the song is original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogles. Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-YwfwxUMfo I know the video isn't official, but whoever put the visuals together for this should do the live ones if Muse are gonna play this live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopix Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The making of made it seem pretty damn likely the beginning was a cover. I would assume the rest of the song is original. That would irk the hell out of me. It just doesn't seem ethical to incorporate it in to their own song without making it obvious it's a cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 That would irk the hell out of me. It just doesn't seem ethical to incorporate it in to their own song without making it obvious it's a cover. Well, it is pretty obvious that it's a cover, that's how people spotted it. The only thing that'd make it unethical would be if they didn't credit Morricone, which would probably get them sued as well. Assuming the banging and whistling is on the album and wasn't just them messing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopix Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I hope the banging and whistling isn't on it, I want the resemblance to be as minimal as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Well, it is pretty obvious that it's a cover, that's how people spotted it. The only thing that'd make it unethical would be if they didn't credit Morricone, which would probably get them sued as well. Assuming the banging and whistling is on the album and wasn't just them messing about. The Globalist at least on the Warner/Chappell catalog doesn't credit any other writers besides Matt, maybe they didn't include it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewislimes Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think if they are going to include the L'Arena part on the song then they'll use the song as a opener like supremacy with the explosion intro was or in the place where isolated system was as sort of a encore break or something then they come on stage and start playing from the riff count down part. It would seem strange to have such a slowed down part in the middle of a "heavy" set as they said. I like the idea of that anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think if they are going to include the L'Arena part on the song then they'll use the song as a opener like supremacy with the explosion intro was or in the place where isolated system was as sort of a encore break or something then they come on stage and start playing from the riff count down part. It would seem strange to have such a slowed down part in the middle of a "heavy" set as they said. I like the idea of that anyway I'd hate this because it would axe a presumed 3 minutes out of the song since that riff part is the midsection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_of_cydonia Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I find it baffling that people still say the globalist beginning is a complete l'arena rip-off and Morricone should be credited. While it's an obvious homage (with the whistling and orchestration and everything) the chord progression and whistling melodies are different (for example L'arena starts with Dm, then moves to G, F and Bb, Muse uses the classic andalusian cadence in the beginning Am G,F,E). They are very similar of course but Morricone would/should be credited only if the melodies were *identical*, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I'm not a huge fan of the idea of having the track start with an obvious cover of a piece of score music... I hope my expectations are just low enough that it's not as bad as I think it is. Or it's really, really short. And if it's different enough to not be considered the same song, or a "cover" - it's a clear rip off, and that's terribly disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen_Eraser Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I find it baffling that people still say the globalist beginning is a complete l'arena rip-off and Morricone should be credited. While it's an obvious homage (with the whistling and orchestration and everything) the chord progression and whistling melodies are different (for example L'arena starts with Dm, then moves to G, F and Bb, Muse uses the classic andalusian cadence in the beginning Am G,F,E). They are very similar of course but Morricone would/should be credited only if the melodies were *identical*, right? Sure some of the notes may be different but if you described the songs on paper they're literally identical. They even progress the same way as different instruments are added. Acoustic guitar comes in at the same time as a marching drum beat? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 It's definitely Morricone in the start, which doesn't bother me in the slightest. This is definitely the track I'm most excited to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesWS Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Does anyone know if the whistling corresponds with the violin solo extract the Italian guy posted, or even if it fits in to the snippet we've heard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Does anyone know if the whistling corresponds with the violin solo extract the Italian guy posted, or even if it fits in to the snippet we've heard? I'm sure it's a part of the same track. If not, it's either a part of Aftermath or Drones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdrunner95 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-YwfwxUMfo I know the video isn't official, but whoever put the visuals together for this should do the live ones if Muse are gonna play this live. wow taken down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonisdead Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 wow taken down It was just the 30 second fan-made The Globalist clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdrunner95 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 It was just the 30 second fan-made The Globalist clip. yeah I know, just can't believe it was taken down so fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen_Eraser Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Does anyone know if the whistling corresponds with the violin solo extract the Italian guy posted, or even if it fits in to the snippet we've heard? I think it's part of the ending "piano ballad" section of the song. Notice the same chord progression and key change notably for Chris' bass. The same key change that happened at the end of the "milan strings" IG clip. Edited May 13, 2015 by Citizen_Eraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_of_cydonia Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 And if it's different enough to not be considered the same song, or a "cover" - it's a clear rip off, and that's terribly disappointing. I really don't believe Bellamy thinks he's reached his peaks of originality with this intro. it's obvious from the making of clip as well that he wants us to think of Morricone. Sure some of the notes may be different but if you described the songs on paper they're literally identical. They even progress the same way as different instruments are added. Acoustic guitar comes in at the same time as a marching drum beat? Really? Since the notes *are* different (and so is the chord progression up to a point), they cannot be *literally* identical on paper. My comment was referring mostly to the idea that Morricone should be credited on the album. I've already said the orchestration is pretty much the same but personally I don't find that troubling at all. It's kind of cheeky and playful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 The melody is a bit different. Not different enough, though. I'm with SerpentSatellite; if it's not a cover, it's very disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainer219 Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) I think if they are going to include the L'Arena part on the song then they'll use the song as a opener like supremacy with the explosion intro was or in the place where isolated system was as sort of a encore break or something then they come on stage and start playing from the riff count down part. It would seem strange to have such a slowed down part in the middle of a "heavy" set as they said. I like the idea of that anyway This song would have been a PERFECT album opener. It's the perfect buildup. Or, an album ender. I reckon they've kicked themselves over this song because being a sort of concept album, they had to keep The Globalist where it fit with the lyrical story. But can anyone imagine this opening live? Edited May 13, 2015 by rainer219 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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