Dominic. Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 They went as low as they possibly could for the TR tour You do like to exaggerate don't you. I mean I agree that TR tour was their worst tour in my opinion but by no means was it as low as they could've possibly sunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 You do like to exaggerate don't you. I mean I agree that TR tour was their worst tour in my opinion but by no means was it as low as they could've possibly sunk Please don't challenge them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 You do like to exaggerate don't you. I mean I agree that TR tour was their worst tour in my opinion but by no means was it as low as they could've possibly sunk It was the lowest the could have sunk in the context of live touring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 TR tour > Showbiz tour No? it should be obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohenko Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 No? it should be obvious I slowly begin to understand how you got your Funniest Muser title. And seriously, if I could decide, I'd rather see Muse on TR tour that on Showbiz tour. Opinions and all, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I slowly begin to understand how you got your Funniest Muser title. Anyway, I said it should be obvious because what Muse could do in their first tour was little compared to what they could do in their 5th tour. For the TR tour they had far more experience and obviously a bigger song choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohenko Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Anyway, I said it should be obvious because what Muse could do in their first tour was little compared to what they could do in their 5th tour. For the TR tour they had far more experience and obviously a bigger song choice. Oh, I thought you meant it was obvious that Showbiz tour was better, sorry But anyways, it's just that I saw people making posts about how TR tour was Muse's worst ever and I just wanted to bring my opinion to the table. While I agree that TR tour could have been better, it is no way worse than Showbiz tour, partly for the reasons you already mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Oh, I thought you meant it was obvious that Showbiz tour was better, sorry But anyways, it's just that I saw people making posts about how TR tour was Muse's worst ever and I just wanted to bring my opinion to the table. While I agree that TR tour could have been better, it is no way worse than Showbiz tour, partly for the reasons you already mentioned. But saying that the Showbiz tour was the worse would be a bit unfair, wouldn't it? For the TR tour the band did waaaay less than they could. Performance most of the times wasn't on the same level of their previous tours. Same for setlists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohenko Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 But saying that the Showbiz tour was the worse would be a bit unfair, wouldn't it? For the TR tour the band did waaaay less than they could. Performance most of the times wasn't on the same level of their previous tours. Same for setlists. Well, obviously, yeah. But that wasn't my point. My point was just that TR tour wasn't worse than Showbiz tour. The circumstances are totally irrelevant here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord MFC Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I dont think anyone posting here can form an opinion of the showbiz tour, as none of you went to any gigs from the showbiz tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I dont think anyone posting here can form an opinion of the showbiz tour, as none of you went to any gigs from the showbiz tour. Matthieu Bel Ami did. But now he is dead since birth because of Fabri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Matthieu Bel Ami did. But now he is dead since birth because of Fabri. :LOL: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Showbiz era performances looked energetic as fuck. Even looking at some of the best TR gigs like Wembley I think I would rather see them at the Astoria or that one festival that I can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 If you're going to compare them to each other you really should take the circumstances into consideration. For Showbiz they had less material, but did more. For TR they had a flashy stage, far more material, but did less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Speaking of the Astoria gig (which looked amazing), from the musewiki page The drum kit was demolished at the end of the gig, after which Matthew Bellamy fell from the drum kit onto his amp, staying motionless for "17 minutes" before leaving the stage. wat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Showbiz era performances looked energetic as fuck. Even looking at some of the best TR gigs like Wembley I think I would rather see them at the Astoria or that one festival that I can't remember. This. The Astoria, the MCM Café, the Eurockéennes were all amazing gigs. Especially the Eurockéennes, it has the best Showbiz ever (imo) If you're going to compare them to each other you really should take the circumstances into consideration. For Showbiz they had less material, but did more. For TR they had a flashy stage, far more material, but did less. This too, it was my point and the reason why Showbiz tour > TR tour (given the circumstances and the situation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sade Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Well, obviously, yeah. But that wasn't my point. My point was just that TR tour wasn't worse than Showbiz tour. The circumstances are totally irrelevant here. Of course the circumstances matter. You can't directly compare a band early in their career and likely not a lot of money for tour production to a stadium-performing band on their 5th album with 15 million in album sales behind them. I think it's a little difficult for any of us to say much about Showbiz era shows as they probably mostly evoke some sort of a "I wish I would have been there to witness that" (as a piece of Muse history) feeling in most of us. I know at least my biggest interest would be in seeing the babyMuse moments from that perspective and maybe experience some sort of raw performance energy that is lacking in today's shows. Still, I'm not going to unfavourably mark down current tours just because the 4 shows a week, 2 months in a row, are not performed with the fervour of young guys in their early 20's and the whole world to prove wrong. Or say Showbiz era shows were "worse" because they couldn't play Hysteria then...because it had not even been written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 I dont think anyone posting here can form an opinion of the showbiz tour, as none of you went to any gigs from the showbiz tour. No Obviously watching footage of it will be different to actually being there but I think you can get a pretty good idea of the gig from the abundance of footage there is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi of Cydonia Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Showbiz era performances looked energetic as fuck. Even looking at some of the best TR gigs like Wembley I think I would rather see them at the Astoria or that one festival that I can't remember. If you guys really think the Showbiz tour shows were better than TR tour shows, let me remind of you of how they performed at the Bizarre festival. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v20NWLyO63Q While it does seem awesome how energetic and spontaneous the gigs were during that era I can only imagine a good portion of them were really sloppy performances. It seems like it took them a lot of experimenting to really get down all of the OoS songs too. Honestly though it's like comparing apples and oranges though and while we can speculate what it would have been like to be there hearing Muse for the first time none of us really know what it was like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I'd be fine with something a little more sloppy if it meant being like this. [YT] [/YT] Their musicianship was amazing by The Resistance Tour, but for me it was overshadowed by how rehearsed and at times boring the actual performances were. It's amazing after seeing them this tour noticing how much more comfortable they look on stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sade Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 More Dead Star talk, less tour comparisons. I get why as a mod you need to point these things out but really, this is like the only thread in MM that has moved in the last half a day. I'm not sure why it's benefitial on a larger scale to kill any conversation this board has just for making sure a thread stays completely on-topic for a page or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaSarahS Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I get why as a mod you need to point these things out but really, this is like the only thread in MM that has moved in the last half a day. I'm not sure why it's benefitial on a larger scale to kill any conversation this board has just for making sure a thread stays completely on-topic for a page or two. They could make another thread for it. Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sade Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 They could make another thread for it. Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Best mod 2kforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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