FabriPav Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Brian Eno on Bowie's Berlin trilogy Except those albums were produced by Bowie and Disconti, Eno wasn't there as a producer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter. Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 >check thread >producer talk still on?--->no--->keep reading --->yes--->abandon thread!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witz Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 >check thread >producer talk still on?--->no--->keep reading --->yes--->abandon thread!!!! I actually posted a sensible response earlier but it sunk in the sea of crap that is this thread!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyjackk Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 this is what happens when we aren't given distractions through updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimz Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Also Fabri I'm pretty sure a producer does take the role of a mixer sometimes. Rich Costey produced and mixed Absolution and BHAR, but it's actually pretty rare that a producer mixes as well. Well from being a big fan of both AC/DC and foreigner I've done my fair share of reading about Mutt. What always seems to come over is that he's the sort of man you go to with a idea for an album but your not completely sure how to produce that said idea, for AC/DC they asked Mutt to basically keep them on track as they were having trouble actually creating songs rather than just a collection of riffs. According to Mick Jones of foreigner he decided to get Mutt on board for foreigner 4 as they the had ideas for songs but couldn't see how to get them to fit in to the album and mutt helped them do that. From what I've gathered he was quite a task master when he was younger, basically I think his way of producing (for rock bands at least) seems to be you tell him what you want the end product to be and he keeps you on track. I know Angus young mentioned during recording for highway to hell he actually wanted to punch mutt as he found him to be over bearing but was told to cool it from the rest of the band and wait to see the result, needless to say he was happy as they had him back for 2 more albums! What he is like now days, who knows! Thanks for the first useful post in the producer debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altbecky Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Producer = project manager is my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter. Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Producer = project manager is my understanding. I keep reading your name as musemofo. or was that intentional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave. Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Producer = project manager is my understanding. Sort of. The producer is whatever he needs to be for the project. On the Led Zep records they always used purely technical producers since the band had the knowledge and talent to achieve the sounds they wanted. So they'd just say to the producer "We want to throw up a few more mics for more ambiance" and he'd go do it. Whereas someone like Neil Rodgers is much more creative. He'll come up with parts for a song that he feels it needs and will try to add his own stamp on the song. He then leaves the technical side of thing to the engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I keep reading your name as musemofo. or was that intentional. I'm pretty sure the intention is for it to say exactly what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altbecky Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Ha. Been meaning to change it for ages. But I can't think of anything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furygirl Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Ha. Been meaning to change it for ages. But I can't think of anything better. How about musemofo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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That Little Animal Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Examples? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagged_Little_Pillhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagged_Little_Pill Also, a lot of work produced by Joe Meek was (co-)written by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Yeah, to go really old school: Joe Meek, Maurice Starr, Phil Spektor. And, especially in pop music, but not exclusively, if you look at song credits, it's very common to see a producer listed as at least a co-writer. Although, it's also very common for (again, especially pop music) to have individual songs all done by different producers. And then, I've read how some producers just act as mentors, or advisors. I think Rick Rueben was known for that, but I could be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Little Animal Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Yeah, to go really old school: Joe Meek, Maurice Starr, Phil Spektor. And, especially in pop music, but not exclusively, if you look at song credits, it's very common to see a producer listed as at least a co-writer. Although, it's also very common for (again, especially pop music) to have individual songs all done by different producers. And then, I've read how some producers just act as mentors, or advisors. I think Rick Rueben was known for that, but I could be mistaken. And in the world of dance, hiphop, boy(girl)bands and completely produced pop the producer can be even more hands on. (This is all to illustrate why there is confusion about the role of a producer, not to speculate on the role of Lange on Muse's new album, which obviously won't be as hands on.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I was totally aware of producers being actual writers of songs in pop, dance and hip hop... I was just asking for raw-k* music. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriAr Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I was totally aware of producers being actual writers of songs in pop, dance and hip hop... I was just asking for raw-k* music. * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I was totally aware of producers being actual writers of songs in pop, dance and hip hop... I was just asking for raw-k* music. * Well, you didn't stipulate that in your question, and I'm tired of Wikipedia for one day. And I WASN'T just talking about rock bands, just producers in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter. Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 producers being actual writers of songs . that's something I've always found repulsive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 such strong opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumpypotato Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 It's morally wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeirdF Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 When producers write songs I just think it's a shame because they don't get any credit for it, only the "artist" does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter. Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 such strong opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 that's something I've always found repulsive. It's disgusting in my opinion. What if the producer writes a raw song though When producers write songs I just think it's a shame because they don't get any credit for it, only the "artist" does. Not always true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Not to mention that the opposite often happens, where pop singers never get credit because it's always "a team of songwriters behind them". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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