Aurora Lights Posted January 12, 2008 Share Posted January 12, 2008 I care..... What Matt says is right, I'm glad he has the balls to speak out, it makes me love him just that little bit more and in a way, proud to be a mooza:happy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilateral_Symmetry_Com'n. Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 What I find amusing about conspiracy-theory adherents is their unimaginative credulity. Let's suppose for a moment that the C-theorists are right: western governments, banks, media conglomerates, etc. are all as powerful, malicious, and even riven with extraterrestrials as some wackjobs say... So why then are the conspiracy theorist authors/activists/publicizers permitted to publish, get their views heard on radio/TV/internet channels, and often thrive? Why don't the shadowy powers-that-be simply have the C-Ters all wacked, if they're so right and pulling aside their curtains revealing the ugly truth of the matter? You can't have it both ways, people. If shadowy powerful elites, government agencies, and other organizations succeeded in killing Kennedy, dominating the world economy through the Trilateral Commission, eroding America's political national sovereignty through the United Nations, or destroying the WTC, then they'd have no problem with making David Icke -- or Matt Bellamy, for that matter -- either disappear or die under mysterious circumstances (plane crash or sudden "heart attack"), or more likely, or be utterly destroyed in a discrediting frame-up (child porn, dead hooker or a live boy, a driving-while-high-or-drunk "accident," etc.) Another problem with the C-T movement generally is its historical (and I presume, continuing) concordance with anti-Semitism. I'm not saying Matt's anti-Semitic (it would shock me if he was; he seems like a very liberal, progressive, and genial kind of guy), but lots of C-theories are basically just [not so] thinly disguised anti-Semitic screeds. If I could give just one piece of advice to Muse, it'd be for Matt to keep his lips zipped on any C-theory that smacks of anti-Semitism, save for debunking it or distancing himself from it. Having said that, I rather like Matt's oddball approach to life and everything, but I wish his enthusiasm for C-Ts didn't influence his fans to follow his footsteps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musex Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I don't know if it has been posted before but Matt does not believe man stepped on the moon . To him that footage was a huge production made by the americans to impress the russians and the rest of the world . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilateral_Symmetry_Com'n. Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I don't know if it has been posted before but Matt does not believe man stepped on the moon . To him that footage was a huge production made by the americans to impress the russians and the rest of the world . Oh, man, I am so sorry to read that. I've NASA/aerospace workers in my family. That's the kind of publicity that could, if widely disseminated, cost Muse some American fans or potential fans (probably mostly by putting people off before they've even had a chance to hear their music). I'll say one thing, though: if Matt Bellamy should ever encounter Buzz Aldrin, put your money on Aldrin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurophu Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I think it's amusing, and he's allowed to be interested in whatever he wants. Plus, it's sort of pushed me into conspiracies as well... ......... watched 2 hours of conspiracy documentary stuff.. and loved it.. but i mean it doesn't have to be taken that seriously, what does my opinion count in the great scheme of things anyways, just interesting y'know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novus Dies Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I always wondered....say in another universe parallel to our own, bellamy is the exact same apart from being christian....NOT believing in the conspiracy theories he does. what do the general fans think about religion then sadly we won't get those shocking results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurophu Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I agree with some people that even though he might believe in a few of the conspiracy theories (like the 9/11 one), hes said before that many of the more odd ones are just a fun read, I doubt he's convinced (though I may be wrong) that the British royal family are actaully lizards... Hes said in interviews that lots of articles make him out as some freak job who constantly rants about aliens, when conspiracy theories are more like a fun hobby for him. Also, i like that he's a little "out there," it think his personality comes out in his music, so I would never want him to change. yeah, this. lizards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest QueenOfNerds Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Meh. Sup to him what he believes I guess. He probably makes a good point about some stuff but I get the feeling he finds some of that stuff funny. I am not really into celebrities pushing their own beliefs onto people. Like when David Grohl went all HIV denialist on our asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furygirl Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I don't know if it has been posted before but Matt does not believe man stepped on the moon . To him that footage was a huge production made by the americans to impress the russians and the rest of the world . Ugh, I saw or read that interview too. I can't remember it verbatim, but I thought he was really just saying he wasn't convinced. Could've been, but maybe not. As others have said, I think many of the things Matt talks about are not necessarily things he believes, but he just finds them interesting. I remember one interview where he was quoting some really far out CT person and was saying he didn't believe everything this person said, but thought there could be grains of truth buried here and there. Let's not forget, his mother was a medium, or close to it, so he gets his open-mindedness and wackiness honestly I suppose. Personally, I believe in ghosts, aliens and the Lochness Monster, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ionnas Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well sometimes when everybody agrees on one thing, sometimes it's just interesting to come and say "What if, instead...". And some of these theories are amusing, or just wild speculation that makes life seem more exciting. I believe in lots of conspiracies Matt believes in, but I'm not 100% convinced about them, I don't take them too seriously. Just my 2 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead-duck Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 What I find amusing about conspiracy-theory adherents is their unimaginative credulity. Let's suppose for a moment that the C-theorists are right: western governments, banks, media conglomerates, etc. are all as powerful, malicious, and even riven with extraterrestrials as some wackjobs say... So why then are the conspiracy theorist authors/activists/publicizers permitted to publish, get their views heard on radio/TV/internet channels, and often thrive? Why don't the shadowy powers-that-be simply have the C-Ters all wacked, if they're so right and pulling aside their curtains revealing the ugly truth of the matter? You can't have it both ways, people. If shadowy powerful elites, government agencies, and other organizations succeeded in killing Kennedy, dominating the world economy through the Trilateral Commission, eroding America's political national sovereignty through the United Nations, or destroying the WTC, then they'd have no problem with making David Icke -- or Matt Bellamy, for that matter -- either disappear or die under mysterious circumstances (plane crash or sudden "heart attack"), or more likely, or be utterly destroyed in a discrediting frame-up (child porn, dead hooker or a live boy, a driving-while-high-or-drunk "accident," etc.) Well, one argument why they wouldn't take them out is because the craziest of the conspiracy theorists actually help the people they are ranting against - they can be used to discredit their cause. If I can find someone opposed to what I want to do that is undeniably out there, I can associate my opposition with this person and scare "normal" people away from asking the questions... I mean, who wants to be associated with crazies, right? This is actually done every day on a smaller, less diabolical, level - pick a political issue and you should be able to easily find someone in leadership on either side using isolated events/crazy people from the other side to marginalize/demonize the opposition..... and it works.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluginbabyxx Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 I love it It definitely makes him the Matt Bellz we all love. Wouldn't be the same without the eccentric obsession. I'm right there with him with all the conspiracy stuffs, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sade Posted August 11, 2009 Share Posted August 11, 2009 You can't have it both ways, people. If shadowy powerful elites, government agencies, and other organizations succeeded in killing Kennedy, dominating the world economy through the Trilateral Commission, eroding America's political national sovereignty through the United Nations, or destroying the WTC, then they'd have no problem with making David Icke -- or Matt Bellamy, for that matter -- either disappear or die under mysterious circumstances (plane crash or sudden "heart attack"), or more likely, or be utterly destroyed in a discrediting frame-up (child porn, dead hooker or a live boy, a driving-while-high-or-drunk "accident," etc.) I'm loving the fact you compared the UN's role in setting up international rules as one of the examples of how conspiracies work. I agree with dead-duck that it's more powerful to have a few people regarded as loonies running around than silencing them, if there really is conspiracies out there. Actually, what I think is more bothersome is that since there is so much talk about all these conspiracies and "the truth not being told to us" it makes people dead blind or more like disinterested in what's happening openly right before them, such as the Patriot Act in the USA or for example these incredibly intrusive laws that allow employers/government to monitor data transfers on the internet (as happened in Finland and Sweden just recently) Anyway, I'm mostly bored by Matt's conspiracies. They do not interest me, but then again don't greatly bother me either, as I tend to not listen to the lyrics. It's rather odd really, that you can be able to sing along an entire song and not really hear or listen what's it about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilateral_Symmetry_Com'n. Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm loving the fact you compared the UN's role in setting up international rules as one of the examples of how conspiracies work. Apparently, you [enviably] don't know all that much about the 20th-C. history of the American loony right-wing isolationists, nativists, and populists -- in recent years, as led by the likes of Pat Buchanan, perpetual presidential (if increasingly fringe) candidate -- and in previous decades embodied by the likes of the John Birch Society. The critique of the U.N. undermining the U.S.'s national sovereignty isn't mine, but the existential resentment that has been voiced by this faction of the American scene since before the establishment of the U.N. after WWII, when they were unhappy with the League of Nations and all that that represented. Some of the more paranoid C-Ters of the Cold War era were American right-wing loonies obsessed with the U.N., the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Affairs, the Brookings Institution, the so-called liberal elite universities, and so on -- as all these targets were suspected of furthering the same insidious agenda, of undermining our legal, intellectual, cultural, and military will and ability to fight our enemies and resist communism. Now that communism's mostly history, and Islamofascism is seen as a threat largely supplanting the old one, they're pushing buttons like border security, immigration reform, national spiritual renewal through Christian fundamentalism, and wresting control of the Republican Party from more moderate factions and the [understood to be Jewish] Neo-Conservatives (the group that steered us into war with Iraq after 9-11). And I have to admit they have a point (or two, or three). As regards the U.N., Buchanan and his ilk resent our strong alliance with Israel, but I think even some of them (if not Buchanan) would agree it's ludicrous the way every few years the U.N. Human Rights Commission succeeds in holding hearings and passing firebreathing resolutions denouncing Israel. This only happens, of course, when the U.S. and its closest allies aren't holding a crucial percentage of seats on that Commission, and jerkoff delegates from nations like Yemen, The Sudan, Syria, and other paragons of human rights and democracy are. That's when the absurdist floor show begins. As for actual perennial human rights disasters (like Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, Cuba, Egypt, Mozambique, North Korea, etc.), nothing ever gets done because of the way the UNHRC and the Security Council are structured, and because the political and military will, and means, are lacking in most western societies (including my own -- nobody here really wants to tangle with NK, for example). The problem with the U.N. isn't that it's too powerful, but that it's institutionally rotted from within and thus ineffectual in enforcing its limited legal mandates. I agree with dead-duck that it's more powerful to have a few people regarded as loonies running around than silencing them, if there really is conspiracies out there. Actually, what I think is more bothersome is that since there is so much talk about all these conspiracies and "the truth not being told to us" it makes people dead blind or more like disinterested in what's happening openly right before them, such as the Patriot Act in the USA or for example these incredibly intrusive laws that allow employers/government to monitor data transfers on the internet (as happened in Finland and Sweden just recently) As for the much-shared opinion that actual conspiratorial powers-that-be apparently see the typical C-theorists as useful pawns and de-facto agents provocateurs to be exploited for their usefulness to discredit their own views and thus disempower us all, there could well be a grain of truth to that. (If so, they apparently view our Matt B. as a harmless Clown Prince of Rock.) Academics could wax wise about how Muse slots in as yet another example of media-conglomerate appropriation and assimilation of a potentially edgy or subversive pop-culture producer -- a bleak and depressing view, to be sure! Toss in the obligatory Adorno/Horkheimer references and you're golden. But I think it's far more likely that the trends of governmental and corporate control of information and concentration of power would occur without the aid of any conspiracies as such, simply as a result of various organizations pursuing their own aims, in a climate of legal, political, cultural, and/or tax-code laxity allowing or encouraging them. From the perspective of the hegemons (such as they are), pop culture is but a sideshow, and counter-hegemonic artists like Rage Against the Machine and Muse, merely a sideshow within a sideshow. Anyway, I'm mostly bored by Matt's conspiracies. They do not interest me, but then again don't greatly bother me either, as I tend to not listen to the lyrics. It's rather odd really, that you can be able to sing along an entire song and not really hear or listen what's it about. I know what you mean, even though I'm still at a beginner's level with respect to Muse, and I feel a stupid obligation to learn as much as possible about their music and lyrics -- partly out of fangirl love, and partly out of the impulse to be a responsible consumer/citizen. (Like, I love some punk music but never buy racist "Oi!" artists and their ilk... well, not knowingly, anyway.) I generally don't pay close attention to lyrics though, regardless of artist, because 95% of the time it's an exercise in frustration and even sado-masochism, although there's been a few exceptions over the years (like Andy Partridge's lyrics for XTC). I'm into Muse for the music, not the lyrics, although I find myself clinging to his better lyrics as if I needed the validation or something. Besides, Matt's beautifully elongated (and often operatic) singing style, emphasizing a vox humana quality over a more conventional lyricism, often makes comprehension difficult... not that that's always a bad thing! I'd rather not understand a set of lyrics than hear them clearly and be disappointed, and often I'd rather listen to a pleasing voice (spouting gibberish lyrics) than an unpleasant one that's the voice of reason. I'd rather listen to Matt Bellamy gracefully hit his highest notes all day (as impossibly grating as that would be for most people) than listen to the frontman for The Hold Steady (whose conversational vocal delivery and torrential lyrics are the polar opposite of Matt's style) prate and grate in his inescapably intelligible way, for example. His lyrics may be brilliant, but I just can't stand to listen to him. Sorry for going on at such length. (Perhaps I have more in common with that douchebag in The Hold Steady than I care to acknowledge? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurophu Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 i always thought the government didnt 'take out' conspiracy theorists because they're not reaally that powerful, if they started doing anything big maybe the gov. would pay more attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nohopeinfear Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I did a quick search for the word "Rubicon" and this thread popped up so I figured here's as good a place as any to put it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon_(TV_series) The series will be about an intelligence analyst at a national think tank who discovers that his employers may be part of a secret society that manipulates world events on a grand scale. Seems like something Matteh will enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherry lips Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 I think it's something different for a change,most of the 9/11 stuff that he believes in I believe in too.And why should it be a problem for any of the fans that he is a conspiracy theorist?There is nothing wrong in thinking that not everything is the way it seemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tillydog Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 yeah i know they are quit weird and probably wrong, but some are intresting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildwilly Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I don't give a phat. Matt is half crazy anyway to be as talented as he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syzygy Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 Conspiracies are cool and fascinating, but I don't really like it when theorists say "THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED." (like this example of Matt's), but I love it when they say "it could have happened like this...". Opened minded people are fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Originally_Symmetrical Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 ZETAS ARE FILLING THE SKIES! Yea, I could care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviendha Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 lol, i think its cool as hell. i'm 14 and i'm writing a book about conspiracy theories, and its completely inspired by muse. Matt Bellamy kinda like, openned my eyes to conspiracy theories and its hella cool. I would definitely love to just sit down and talk with this man, he seems incredibly deep. and, no, i'm definitely not like the rest of his god damn obsessive teenage girl fans. although he is extreeeeeeemeeelyyy attractive, he's intelligent, creative, and just, my inspiration. its amazing. mk ulta is my favorite song, and THATS why i'm so inspired to write this book. (: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherry lips Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 lol, i think its cool as hell. i'm 14 and i'm writing a book about conspiracy theories, and its completely inspired by muse. Matt Bellamy kinda like, openned my eyes to conspiracy theories and its hella cool. I would definitely love to just sit down and talk with this man, he seems incredibly deep. and, no, i'm definitely not like the rest of his god damn obsessive teenage girl fans. although he is extreeeeeeemeeelyyy attractive, he's intelligent, creative, and just, my inspiration. its amazing. mk ulta is my favorite song, and THATS why i'm so inspired to write this book. (: You sound like a god damn obsessive teenage girl fan. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviendha Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 You sound like a god damn obsessive teenage girl fan. :rolleyes: lol, well i guess i might be. but fans are fans and thats all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syzygy Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 lol, i think its cool as hell. i'm 14 and i'm writing a book about conspiracy theories, and its completely inspired by muse. Matt Bellamy kinda like, openned my eyes to conspiracy theories and its hella cool. I would definitely love to just sit down and talk with this man, he seems incredibly deep. and, no, i'm definitely not like the rest of his god damn obsessive teenage girl fans. although he is extreeeeeeemeeelyyy attractive, he's intelligent, creative, and just, my inspiration. its amazing. mk ulta is my favorite song, and THATS why i'm so inspired to write this book. (: ...do you like Twilight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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