johnathon Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Does anyone know the exact BPM for Reapers? I know it's around 96 but I can't seem to make a click track line up, it always drifts out of time after about 20 seconds. Edited June 2, 2015 by johnathon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mittle Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I get 97 when tapping manually. Also, you didnt need a whole thread for this Or who knows, maybe we´ll discuss this eternally. #Reapers BPM Part II: Beat it Edit: It changes to 60/120 for the outro. Edited June 2, 2015 by Mittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 97 I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnathon Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 I get 97 when tapping manually. Also, you didnt need a whole thread for this Or who knows, maybe we´ll discuss this eternally. #Reapers BPM Part II: Beat it Edit: It changes to 60/120 for the outro. Sorry, I didn't know where to ask Thanks for checking. But when I line up a 97BPM click track to the first Hi-hat hit that opens the song, it starts to drift ahead of the beat when it gets to the AC/DC style bridge section. Although it doesn't actually seem like the song changes tempo at that point, so I dunno why it doesn't line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mittle Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) That was just me manually tapping. It is probably 96. Perhaps its 96,7 or something just to fool with us I can try 96 in logic. Edited June 2, 2015 by Mittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnathon Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 That was just me manually tapping. It is probably 96. Perhaps its 96,7 or something just to fool with us I can try 96 in logic. Funnily enough, Logic's tempo detection gave me 96.7. But that also doesn't line up, it starts falling in front of the beat about halfway through the first tapping part. The closest I've gotten in 96.9, but that loses sync about 1/4 of the way through the first chorus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mittle Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Lol this just made me mad. 97 works for a while and then it doesen´t. I give up #exam:$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnathon Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Lol this just made me mad. 97 works for a while and then it doesen´t. I give up #exam:$ Yeah, it's pretty frustrating Has anyone else got any ideas? I'm thinking of maybe splitting it up into different sections (tapping, verse, bridge etc.) with tiny BPM differences to account for drifting, but that really isn't ideal and would be a pain to manage in Logic. If anyone has any insight that'd be real useful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think you will need to set it up for different sections, or just play in time according to what you hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnathon Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) I think you will need to set it up for different sections, or just play in time according to what you hear Well I don't really need a click track. But I still need to get the timing correctly setup in logic for Whammy automation. Assuming the tempo is consistent up to the outro (which I'm pretty sure it is), the only other explanation is that maybe they picked a really weird tempo between 96 and 97 that has 4+ significant figures. But that makes no sense, why would they do something like that? Edited June 2, 2015 by johnathon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Maybe they (shhh) didn't play to a click when they recorded it (shhh).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry. Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Or they slowly increased the tempo by a single beat per minute across the entire song *cough* I Am Disappeared by Frank Turner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnathon Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Maybe they (shhh) didn't play to a click when they recorded it (shhh).... Possibly, but I also can't sync up to the tempo of live recordings. And if they aren't playing live with a predetermined tempo then how is Matt syncing up his Whammy automation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Maybe they're just not that good at playing to a click maybe only the whammy part is to a click maybe it is a fraction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry. Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 maybe it is a fraction Maybe the whole song is just one long beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Maybe the whole song is just one long beat Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flump Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Possibly, but I also can't sync up to the tempo of live recordings. And if they aren't playing live with a predetermined tempo then how is Matt syncing up his Whammy automation? Granted I haven't paid attention to the live videos but maybe he's using....his foot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottST Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 whammy control could be done offstage by a tech May explain why its out of time occasionally live (weenie roast for example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 whammy control could be done offstage by a tech May explain why its out of time occasionally live (weenie roast for example) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destroya Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Bands such as Rush change tempos all the time in their tracks, I swear Muse are turning into the British version of them. They've done a couple of multi part songs, feature loads of falsetto and now have an album that is terribly mixed/mastered. whammy control could be done offstage by a tech May explain why its out of time occasionally live (weenie roast for example) Matt was DEFINITELY using a whammy pedal during the Big Weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottST Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Bands such as Rush change tempos all the time in their tracks, I swear Muse are turning into the British version of them. They've done a couple of multi part songs, feature loads of falsetto and now have an album that is terribly mixed/mastered. Matt was DEFINITELY using a whammy pedal during the Big Weekend. He was during the second part of the solo. Not during the second tapping section, or the first part of the solo. The whammy flourishes were happening and he wasnt near his board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum IV Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 There is a small tempo change between sections. Starts in 97. Slows to 96 when the "killed by" riff kicks in. Back to 97 for the next tapping section. Then it's all 96 from the second riff onwards. The outro I haven't figured out perfectly yet. Roughly 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Did a tempo mapping and got the same as Especto. The bulk of the outro I got at 118 with occasional speed ups on the fills (mapping at double time of course). The bass leading up to it seems to vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave. Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Maybe (shocker), they just recorded it live without a click? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Maybe (shocker), they just recorded it live without a click? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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