nerd herd Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 So I've got a question regarding Whammy: Should I get the IV, V or DT? I don't think I'll use drop tuning much, so I'm more leaning towards IV or V. How different are these two? They're not massively different, but the IV is a bit glitchy, so if you play chords it can sound pretty dodgy. The V is polyphonic so it's much better for playing more than one note at once, and it has a switch that lets you get all glitchy like the IV. I wish the DT had that switch as well so I wouldn't need to get the old whammy out to play My Iron Lung properly. With the DT, the drop tuning is pretty handy, for stuff like having an octave down harmoniser on, and being able to use the whammy at the same time. Or hearing what something sounds like in a different tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flump Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsDgUpD58UM what is that effect at the beginning? doesn't even sound like the usual harmonizer (listen to when he hits the strings before the bass starts) It's a harmonizer/pitch shifter. It's just freaking/glitching out because when he barely touches the string the signal level is too low and its struggling to harmonize with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 It's a harmonizer/pitch shifter. It's just freaking/glitching out because when he barely touches the string the signal level is too low and its struggling to harmonize with it. Yeah that makes sense. Doesn't really sound unusual during the actual song. So I've got a question regarding Whammy: Should I get the IV, V or DT? I don't think I'll use drop tuning much, so I'm more leaning towards IV or V. How different are these two? the 5. You can still jack white with the 5 in classic mode, so there isn't really a reason to get the 4 instead Unless you have an MB-1 or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 biffy clyro announced a north american tour They're coming to NY too. I hope Simon Niel brings his mettle zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 They're not massively different, but the IV is a bit glitchy, so if you play chords it can sound pretty dodgy. The V is polyphonic so it's much better for playing more than one note at once, and it has a switch that lets you get all glitchy like the IV. I wish the DT had that switch as well so I wouldn't need to get the old whammy out to play My Iron Lung properly. With the DT, the drop tuning is pretty handy, for stuff like having an octave down harmoniser on, and being able to use the whammy at the same time. Or hearing what something sounds like in a different tuning. the 5. You can still jack white with the 5 in classic mode, so there isn't really a reason to get the 4 instead Gotcha. So between the DT and V, which is more practical for Muse stuff? I think drop tuning could be useful (not sure what octave down harmoniser is but it sounds fun :3) or do I want the glitchy stuff more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyjackk Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Gotcha. So between the DT and V, which is more practical for Muse stuff? I think drop tuning could be useful (not sure what octave down harmoniser is but it sounds fun :3) or do I want the glitchy stuff more? I have a DT and don't use the DT side of it for more than like 2 songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 You can play unsustainable with the DT. Also, has anyone got experience with putting any type of plating on brass? I'm guessing it's possible, as the bridge I have is chrome over brass... I just need black saddles, and they don't sell replacements in anything but raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 You need black brass, or would string savers work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Is there a way to turn the existing raw saddles into that? And nope, they don't make them in the right size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 You can nickel plate brass directly, even using a home plating kit. So you could conceivably plate your existing saddles in black nickel, which is sort of Matt Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I have a DT and don't use the DT side of it for more than like 2 songs. You can play unsustainable with the DT. Haha, thanks guys. I'll just get the V then. Alright, only need a phaser and compressor now. Where does a compressor go in a pedal chain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Haha, thanks guys. I'll just get the V then. Alright, only need a phaser and compressor now. Where does a compressor go in a pedal chain? If you have to ask, then why are you getting a compressor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I have a DT and don't use the DT side of it for more than like 2 songs. I probably use the DT side more than the Whammy side! It's pretty useful when I can't be bothered to tune 6-7 strings down a semi-tone/tone for just one song or something, and it still sounds really good. It's actually much clearer than the Whammy side, if you compare them, so if I want an octave shift without the flexibility of the Whammy pedal, the DT side is much better in terms of sound quality too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 If you have to ask, then why are you getting a compressor? Because I know what a compressor is supposed to do, but I don't know where it should be in a pedal chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Because I know what a compressor is supposed to do, but I don't know where it should be in a pedal chain. It has no specific place in the chain, it goes where you need it to do what it does. So if you're not sure where you're putting it in your chain, then its worth asking what are you buying one for exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eh-D Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Because I know what a compressor is supposed to do, but I don't know where it should be in a pedal chain. Start with it first, if you have a wah-wah or a fuzz that like the fuzz factory then run it after those. I run it as early as I can. The two knob Keeley has been in my chain since before I realized MB had one. I think the compressor is such an underrated part of peoples rigs. My Fuzzhead loves having the comp into it as a boost on the other hand so you can play with it to taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I think drop tuning could be useful (not sure what octave down harmoniser is but it sounds fun :3) or do I want the glitchy stuff more? It's just a harmony one octave lower than what's being played. The thing an oc-3 does perfectly. I probably use the DT side more than the Whammy side! It's pretty useful when I can't be bothered to tune 6-7 strings down a semi-tone/tone for just one song or something, and it still sounds really good. It's actually much clearer than the Whammy side, if you compare them, so if I want an octave shift without the flexibility of the Whammy pedal, the DT side is much better in terms of sound quality too. Yeah, it's great for being too lazy to change tuning properly. Plus the momentary switch is perfect for the tapping part in Reapers hammer ons etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Start with it first, if you have a wah-wah or a fuzz that like the fuzz factory then run it after those. I run it as early as I can. The two knob Keeley has been in my chain since before I realized MB had one. I think the compressor is such an underrated part of peoples rigs. My Fuzzhead loves having the comp into it as a boost on the other hand so you can play with it to taste. yeah that. pretty much You can nickel plate brass directly, even using a home plating kit. So you could conceivably plate your existing saddles in black nickel, which is sort of Matt Black. I'll see what I can come up with. It's just a minor detail for this "build" - the bridge itself is much more important, which is why I haven't gone for the standard hardtail that can accept string saver saddles. This one has some extra narrow ones It's just a harmony one octave lower than what's being played. The thing an oc-3 does perfectly. I didn't know the OC-3 actually did anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 If you have to ask, then why are you getting a compressor? If you think you know how to communicate, but come across as a snob everywhere, why do you post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 If you think you know how to communicate, but come across as a snob everywhere, why do you post? Nothing 'snobbish' about it. I use compression every day and its a legit point, if you ask to where to use it, probably best to not use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Start with it first, if you have a wah-wah or a fuzz that like the fuzz factory then run it after those. I run it as early as I can. The two knob Keeley has been in my chain since before I realized MB had one. I think the compressor is such an underrated part of peoples rigs. My Fuzzhead loves having the comp into it as a boost on the other hand so you can play with it to taste. Thanks for the explanation! Which version of the Fuzzhead do you have? I've been watching some stuff about it and it sounds pretty cool It's just a harmony one octave lower than what's being played. The thing an oc-3 does perfectly. Gotcha. Hm, decisions decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eh-D Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 It's a red one, dated 2010 inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Jaicen That parts build I'm doing next will have two humbuckers, a 3 way switch (tele style) and two volumes (one for each pickup) but I can't find much information on how to wire it. Closest was this, but it has an added tone control http://www.guitarelectronics.com/product/WD2HH3L21_00/Guitar-Wiring-Diagam-w-2-Humbuckers3-Way-Lever-Switch2-Volumes1-Tone.html Do I just omit the tone control from the connection between the switch and the output jack? In other words, just wire the output of the switch directly to the output jack tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 That's how I'd do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Thanks for the explanation! Which version of the Fuzzhead do you have? I've been watching some stuff about it and it sounds pretty cool You don't need to have it as early as possible, could use it last if you're looking to keep an unruly pedalboard under control for example, like after distortion if you're using different pedals and its bit of a pain to match them in volume or just after any pedals that boost/lower volume (Phase90 & Small Stones for example). Using it first is useful if you're changing guitars during sets or just want to improve a guitar sound a bit before effects. Though this will cause issues with a Fuzz Factory, which really does need to be first. Putting it after might limit how far you can push the comp, which might not be a problem, but worth being aware of. Having it before fuzz/distortion is cool though as it can offer something something a bit different to boost/overdrive pedals. With bass I use compression in parallel with distortion, although worth trying it before (I tend to find it gets too noisy, so stick with the parallel thing). Can also be cool on the wet signal on old analogue delays to get more repeats without oscillation. Some comps do alter the tone, like the MXR Dyna Comp, which limits you to where it works best. Just need to be clear about what it is you want a compressor to do as they can be used anywhere and no reason not to have more than one either. Edited January 12, 2017 by haze015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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