FabriPav Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 The thing is, if a producer told them something they wouldn't like, they just would ignore him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 An album that has only one sound like Absolution .Not an album that sounds like 3 different bands made it. Does Endlessly sound like Stockholm Syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Does Endlessly sound like Stockholm Syndrome? The difference in the context of the whole album, however, is far less pronounced than the divide between Unsustainable, Survival and Panic Station, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 The difference in the context of the whole album, however, is far less pronounced than the divide between Unsustainable, Survival and Panic Station, for example. Oh yes that's for sure. My point is that the last really cohesive album they've done is OoS. Since Abso they started widening their sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillbechasingastarlight Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Does Endlessly sound like Stockholm Syndrome? At least their similarity is more than Explorers and Supremacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 At least their similarity is more than Explorers and Supremacy Is it? Quite the same level of difference I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Oh yes that's for sure. My point is that the last really cohesive album they've done is OoS. Since Abso they started widening their sound. Aye, can't disagree with that - although I find Absolution almost as cohesive due to the thematic elements of the album and tbh, the electronic tinges are pretty limited and actually add a huge amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyduh Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 The thing is, if a producer told them something they wouldn't like, they just would ignore him. Yeah, right now they think they are at a level of a producer and don't need one at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 The thing is, if a producer told them something they wouldn't like, they just would ignore him. Depends on the producer... if it was someone they had a lot of respect for, they'd listen. Oh yes that's for sure. My point is that the last really cohesive album they've done is OoS. Since Abso they started widening their sound. I think Abso is just as cohesive, or at least very close. It has a really similar vibe all the way through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Abso DOES have some cohersive moments like SS, Hysteria, TIRO, AP, SFA, B&H, Blackout and RBS, but then songs like TOADA, Endlessly and TSP stand out as a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Abso DOES have some cohersive moments like SS, Hysteria, TIRO, AP, SFA, B&H, Blackout and RBS, but then songs like TOADA, Endlessly and TSP stand out as a bit different. True, I remember thinking TOADA sounded very different to the rest when I first heard Abso. But then, when I compare Abso's contrasting tracks to TR or T2L's, the later albums are waaaayyyy more obvious. Follow Me and Survival/Supremacy, Explorers and Unsustainable, it's ridiculous. And jarring too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I care more about the actual quality of the songs rather than cohesiveness. Of course if the songs are good and the album is cohesive, that's a plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I care more about the actual quality of the songs rather than cohesiveness. Of course if the songs are good and the album is cohesive, that's a plus I've found that that's not the case for me. Sure I will still enjoy the songs and all that, but I am FAR less likely to return to the album, and to have any feelings towards the album in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangeseas Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I've found that that's not the case for me. Sure I will still enjoy the songs and all that, but I am FAR less likely to return to the album, and to have any feelings towards the album in general. T2L is the only Muse album that has this problem so far imo. Albums like TR and BHAR had diversity and sometimes a lacking flow, but it wasn't much of a problem, because they actually had a satisfying and cohesive end. BHAR: CoD-Hoodoo-KoC TR: Exogenesis T2L: Liquid State-Save Me-Unsustainable-IS T2L is just mess from start to the end. (a quite entertaining mess to be fair) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 my theory is Muse hate to do the same thing twice. UD = Madness GL = Big Freeze And if you wanna go even further.... MK Ultra = Liquid State. They have done I completely uncohesive album so hopefully they will decide to do the total opposite on the next one. Also you really can't make a song more bombastic and ridiculous than survival so perhaps after 5 years of lies Matt will actually write some acoustic stuff TR and T2L are both the same. Bombastic, over the top, ridiculous and completely incoherent. Except T2L does it with better songs (for the most part). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 And if you wanna go even further.... MK Ultra = Liquid State. If anything, LS is US but shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I care more about the actual quality of the songs rather than cohesiveness. Of course if the songs are good and the album is cohesive, that's a plus Opposite for me. An album and thus its songs are made and broken by how well the album works as a complete piece. I don't think OoS is Muse's 11 best songs, but as a collection of 11 songs, it is easily their most powerful bunch of songs. Also, if an album isn't cohesive, doesn't flow or is too eclectic, it dramatically reduces how often I come back to it. Hence, MK Ultra is easily one of my favourite Muse songs but I rarely listen to it because I can't get through TR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Opposite for me. An album and thus its songs are made and broken by how well the album works as a complete piece. I don't think OoS is Muse's 11 best songs, but as a collection of 11 songs, it is easily their most powerful bunch of songs. Also, if an album isn't cohesive, doesn't flow or is too eclectic, it dramatically reduces how often I come back to it. Hence, MK Ultra is easily one of my favourite Muse songs but I rarely listen to it because I can't get through TR. My point is that a cohesive album with shit songs remains an album with shit songs. While an un-cohesive album with great songs is still an album with great songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 My point is that a cohesive album with shit songs remains an album with shit songs. While an un-cohesive album with great songs is still an album with great songs. Yes, I don't disagree with that at all. But the overwhelming majority of albums I listen to fall into a middleground where for every truly magnificent song there is, there is one of lesser quality. Very few albums are 10/10 so I find the way an album binds together as a whole to be really important. I rarely listen to music on random these days as I barely get the time to even listen to any at all so albums have become more of an event than they used to be. I got Exodus by Bob Marley earlier and it was a joy to just let that wash over me as a whole . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave. Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I think Muse have gotten to a stage where they almost don't know what to do with themselves. They want to keep making music and working but they aren't quite sure what. They try a bit of this and a bit of that but nothing seems sustainable (no pun intended). They'll probably do some more experimentation on the next album, do a small tour and then go on hiatus for a year or 2. But, you know, thats just, like, my opinion, and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clom Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 TR and T2L are both the same. Bombastic, over the top, ridiculous and completely incoherent. Except T2L does it with better songs (for the most part). I agree with the first bit completly, but no way does T2L have better songs (other than maybe Animals and Madness) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I agree with the first bit completly, but no way does T2L have better songs (other than maybe Animals and Madness) I dunno about that... something about TR just feels a bit off to me, apart from MK U and Exo... I get that less with T2L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylb88 Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 UD = Madness GL = Big Freeze And if you wanna go even further.... MK Ultra = Liquid State. . Involving a different album here, but I've always felt Invincible = GL Songs start of slow, build to an extended guitar solo, then end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henz Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I want them to take a risk and pick one approach to run with. After T2L, I am tired of bouncing back and forth with tone. Give me an album of rock/electronic, or accoustic/strings, or piano and armpit farts just let it sound cohesive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babyquack Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I think Muse have gotten to a stage where they almost don't know what to do with themselves. They want to keep making music and working but they aren't quite sure what. They try a bit of this and a bit of that but nothing seems sustainable (no pun intended). They'll probably do some more experimentation on the next album, do a small tour and then go on hiatus for a year or 2. But, you know, thats just, like, my opinion, and stuff. Muse? Do a SMALL tour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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