dedero Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Greetings everybody! I wanted to ask you regarding "The Ressistance - Deluxe box set" I found a difference between Vinyl and CD recording, I played the vinyl with this equipment: - Pioneer PL-540 turntable with a Shure M97xE cartridge and Audio-technica headshell - Sansui AU-717 amplifier - Sansui S-50 speakers connected with oxygen-free copper wires And I played the CD with this equipment: - CD-Player Sony CDP-S45 connected to amplifier with Monster oxygen-free copper wires - Sansui AU-717 amplifier - Sansui S-50 speakers connected with oxygen-free copper wires I heard closely both recordings and I found the CD quite "noisy" compared with Vinyl sound, mostly in high tones. Taking apart the discussion between "cd/vinyl, which is better?", somebody experienced this difference?. Does the CD version a victim of "loudness war"? Thanks!! Kind regards, Bruno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I'm a noob in technical audio stuff, but could this http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/index.php?search_artist=Muse&search_album= be helping in some way? I just googled a bit However, I think The Resistance suffers from the loudness war way less than BH&R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 However, I think The Resistance suffers from the loudness war way less than BH&R BH&R and Absolution definitely suffer from it, The Resistance CD sounds pretty fine to me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solstice Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 The mix quality for the resistance is pretty good, especially compared to BHAR. Regarding the vinyl/CD issues, I think vinyl's generally of higher quality, the vinyl counterparts of some CD's that suffer from it don't have the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 The Digital/Vinyl/Tape debate is separate to the "Loudness War" and shouldn't be confused as one & the same. The "Loudness War" exists in different forms between formats. What do you mean by more "noisy" though? Digital will be less noisy technically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedero Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share Posted May 30, 2012 The Digital/Vinyl/Tape debate is separate to the "Loudness War" and shouldn't be confused as one & the same. The "Loudness War" exists in different forms between formats. What do you mean by more "noisy" though? Digital will be less noisy technically. Hey! You're right, digital/vinyl/tape is not the point, there are separated discussion With "noisy" I meant saturated, mainly high sounds such cymbals and some guitar riffs, that's what I heard between Ressistance Vinyl and CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcade Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 The loudness war can also be describing musicians on stage having their PA's/IEM/Monitors turned up drowning out other instruments. When all the musicians are turning up their levels at the same time, eventually their ears can suffer from massive sound levels.. a mixer/audio tech's nightmare too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 The loudness war can also be describing musicians on stage having their PA's/IEM/Monitors turned up drowning out other instruments. When all the musicians are turning up their levels at the same time, eventually their ears can suffer from massive sound levels.. a mixer/audio tech's nightmare too. Sorry, but there's a load of issues with this post. IEMs, monitors etc are personal mixes for each individual musician. Wouldn't describe it as a loudness war, just dealing with amateurs. In regards to live sound, less experienced drummers are likely to get louder throughout a show, meaning amplifiers and monitors mixes might have to be turned up gradually to compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcade Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Sorry, but there's a load of issues with this post. IEMs, monitors etc are personal mixes for each individual musician. Wouldn't describe it as a loudness war, just dealing with amateurs. In regards to live sound, less experienced drummers are likely to get louder throughout a show, meaning amplifiers and monitors mixes might have to be turned up gradually to compensate. well i feel so much better for you correcting me.. on point one. depends how the audio is routed and if you have a separate mixing technician, smaller outfits might have their own configuration and have issues dealing with the in-house venue mixer. point two, its not just drummers that have this issue, it can be any musician with stage based monitors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hishou Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Just listened to BHAR on vinyl. There's such a difference with the CD version! Without being a demo disc, it is a very different experience than on the CD, it sounds way much more natural, you hear those tiny little details you couldn't hear before, some echos, drums that sounds like real drums... I'm telling you, it's a different experience to listen to Muse that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzthief Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESV-P0wZ2TY Amazing Also, what program is that everyone's using to get these waveforms? Also2, what the guy above me said. I can't tell much difference in clipping and waveforms but it is a lot more clear. I never noticed that Hoodoo had distorted vocals and still can't hear it with my regular FLAC files. I noticed it the first time I listened to the vinyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Also, what program is that everyone's using to get these waveforms? Also2, what the guy above me said. I can't tell much difference in clipping and waveforms but it is a lot more clear. I never noticed that Hoodoo had distorted vocals and still can't hear it with my regular FLAC files. I noticed it the first time I listened to the vinyl. The one in the video is Audacity. Your last chance has arrived.... BEEEEEST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobby Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESV-P0wZ2TY Ace. "DAAAAANGE EVERYTHING YOU AAAARE" was a bit weird though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuseFX Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 That version is amazing! Does somebody know where you can find these unmastered tracks as said in the description? Or other muse songs which are already remastered... It is too great to miss the experience of listening to muse like this:stunned: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zomuse Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 That version is amazing! Does somebody know where you can find these unmastered tracks as said in the description? Or other muse songs which are already remastered... It is too great to miss the experience of listening to muse like this:stunned: Have a browse through Muselive, for example here and here are the B&H tracks. I don't think there are many (if any) other fully 'remastered' songs but there are a ton of separated tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alesi08 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 That version is amazing! Does somebody know where you can find these unmastered tracks as said in the description? Or other muse songs which are already remastered... It is too great to miss the experience of listening to muse like this:stunned: Search around on youtube, think there are some videos with only Matts voice and one with the backing vocals. Those are the two that I have heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuseFX Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Have a browse through Muselive, for example here and here are the B&H tracks. I don't think there are many (if any) other fully 'remastered' songs but there are a ton of separated tracks. Wow thank you very much! that helps a lot:) Another question.. Does vinyl never suffer from the loudness war or is more or less the same version on CD and vinyl? I never thought about the loudness war but I find it quite sad that you ruin the music with it.. EDIT: Thanks @Alesi08 I'll do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alesi08 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Assassin and KoC can be found on youtube if anyone wants to remaster it f0kuM5iskIA A video that I did myself because I wanted to hear how Stalight would sound if the synth was hearble. It's not perfect, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gohenko Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Isn't it a bit pointless to remaster a track from a youtube video, since youtube has already compressed the audio and has also made it lower quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 Isn't it a bit pointless to remaster a track from a youtube video, since youtube has already compressed the audio and has also made it lower quality? This. You can't compare audio qualities through a youtube video since it compresses everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 This. You can't compare audio qualities through a youtube video since it compresses everything. Not really what he was saying but yeah, still true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alesi08 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 But if they are on yuotube they must be somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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