james90 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) I don't think something shorter scale would work in that case. And he's said in the past that he uses guitar strings for the two top strings, but I have no idea what gauge. For what it's worth, they're still the brass-red-black-green color code of any standard d'addario bass set. http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/royal-bloods-mike-kerr-talks-power-duo-rocking-600211 As for tunings, I think standard, 1 step down, and 2 steps down. Edited April 10, 2017 by james90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I don't think something shorter scale would work in that case. And he's said in the past that he uses guitar strings for the two top strings, but I have no idea what gauge. For what it's worth, they're still the brass-red-black-green color code of any standard d'addario bass set. http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/royal-bloods-mike-kerr-talks-power-duo-rocking-600211 As for tunings, I think standard, 1 step down, and 2 steps down. Interesting. I'm curious how the setup process works with detuning? Say you get higher gauge strings for the extra tension. When you measure relief & intonation & whatnot, would your guitar/ bass would still be in standard tuning (as opposed to C tuning?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flump Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Interesting. I'm curious how the setup process works with detuning? Say you get higher gauge strings for the extra tension. When you measure relief & intonation & whatnot, would your guitar/ bass would still be in standard tuning (as opposed to C tuning?) The short answer to what I believe the question is, is no. I'm using an online calculator for string tension here, so I don't know how accurate the numbers are, but it should work. Also only doing one string, but that extrapolates to all. Guitar string "6" .046 set to E - 8.78 kg .046 set to C - 5.53 kg Put on bigger string so you can set it to "C standard a la QotSA. .056 set to E - 13.58 kg .056 set to C - 8.55 kg Now I believe your question is if you put on a bigger gauge, and then made sure the intonation/relief were all the same...would the guitar be back into standard tuning..instead of tuning it to what you want and then setting all of those. The answer is no. In this case adding .010 to the diameter of the string and dropping 4 semitones actually ends up with very similar tension. So, there would actually be very little you have to do setup wise. Of course that's not always the case. No idea if I even answered the question, but I had a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 The short answer to what I believe the question is, is no. I'm using an online calculator for string tension here, so I don't know how accurate the numbers are, but it should work. Also only doing one string, but that extrapolates to all. Guitar string "6" .046 set to E - 8.78 kg .046 set to C - 5.53 kg Put on bigger string so you can set it to "C standard a la QotSA. .056 set to E - 13.58 kg .056 set to C - 8.55 kg Now I believe your question is if you put on a bigger gauge, and then made sure the intonation/relief were all the same...would the guitar be back into standard tuning..instead of tuning it to what you want and then setting all of those. The answer is no. In this case adding .010 to the diameter of the string and dropping 4 semitones actually ends up with very similar tension. So, there would actually be very little you have to do setup wise. Of course that's not always the case. No idea if I even answered the question, but I had a good time. Thanks so much for doing the research & typing out the explanation. I worded the question quite poorly - my apologies. Basically I was wondering how a setup on a guitar always tuned to C tuning would be done. Would you (A) put heavy gauge strings on it, tune it to E standard, set it up with normal neck relief, intonation & action, then once the guitar is setup, then finally detune it to C (B) put heavy gauge strings on it, tune it to C, then set your neck relief & action & intonation based on how the guitar is in C tuning. I hope that makes a bit more sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flump Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Thanks so much for doing the research & typing out the explanation. I worded the question quite poorly - my apologies. Basically I was wondering how a setup on a guitar always tuned to C tuning would be done. Would you (A) put heavy gauge strings on it, tune it to E standard, set it up with normal neck relief, intonation & action, then once the guitar is setup, then finally detune it to C (B) put heavy gauge strings on it, tune it to C, then set your neck relief & action & intonation based on how the guitar is in C tuning. I hope that makes a bit more sense Ahh, yes. Option B for sure, although there's usually some back and forth. How it would be done is tune up to whatever pitch you intend for the guitar/bass to be in. It's possible you'd have to cut the nut slots bigger to accomadate bigger strings first. If so, do that. Most likely the truss rod needs to be adjusted. Do that, retune to pitch, check truss rod, retune to pitch. (that may only need to be done once or possibly not at all.) Then adjust the action up or down. Again retune to pitch. Adjust intonation. Smash guitar into Dom's drums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (B) put heavy gauge strings on it, tune it to C, then set your neck relief & action & intonation based on how the guitar is in C tuning. You'd do that one, set it up for the gauge of strings & tuning you want to keep it in. I really need want another strat to have set up for drop C Edit: Flump beat me to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eh-D Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Cider, aren't you already running a .64 low e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Thank you Flump & nerd herd. I understand now Cider, aren't you already running a .64 low e? Nope, had a 60 low E on the Cort for a while, but I switched it back to standard 10-46 afterwards. I think I want another guitar for C tuning. Tempted to turn the Double Cut into one, but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Ahh, yes. Option B for sure, although there's usually some back and forth. How it would be done is tune up to whatever pitch you intend for the guitar/bass to be in. It's possible you'd have to cut the nut slots bigger to accomadate bigger strings first. If so, do that. Most likely the truss rod needs to be adjusted. Do that, retune to pitch, check truss rod, retune to pitch. (that may only need to be done once or possibly not at all.) Then adjust the action up or down. Again retune to pitch. Adjust intonation. Smash guitar into Dom's drums. This. I'd definitely get the nut slots cut properly for 13-56 gauge though. I used to switch between 10-46 in standard and 13-56 in C standard on a LP I had a while back, and just putting 13's on and doing the minor setup adjustments doesn't really work that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Did someone say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Did someone say... Yaaaaaas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominic. Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Did someone say... Ha that's right next to the load in doors for a company I used to work for. Absolutely reeks of piss around there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Yaaaaaas This is going to be a good few months for music I think. We can't even blame Jim for that one.. Ha that's right next to the load in doors for a company I used to work for. Absolutely reeks of piss around there enit Also, sounds like he's using a distorted bass sound this time round. Sounds suspiciously Kris Westelholme like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 This is going to be a good few months for music I think. We can't even blame Jim for that one.. enit Also, sounds like he's using a distorted bass sound this time round. Sounds suspiciously Kris Westelholme like... Yup, Royal Blood and QOTSA, is there anything else coming out this summer? that fretboard makes me feel uneasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Yup, Royal Blood and QOTSA, is there anything else coming out this summer? that fretboard makes me feel uneasy New Muse song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Yup, Royal Blood and QOTSA, is there anything else coming out this summer? that fretboard makes me feel uneasy alt-j is june i believe if that's your cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Shit son New Royal Blood tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Shit son New Royal Blood tomorrow? My body is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 New Muse song Forgot about that. alt-j is june i believe if that's your cup of tea. Haven't listened to alt-j before, might check them out though. Shit son New Royal Blood tomorrow? Oh yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Forgot about that. How could you forget the sound of the Fernandes Sustainer? And I feel so privileged that I will be one of the first to hear it live.... Unless they don't actually play it on this tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Haven't listened to alt-j before, might check them out though. start here.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqowBmcq9uY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 It's 7:03 PM BST April 13th. Where the hell is this new Royal Blood song? EDIT: Ah, there it is [YT] [/YT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I guess that's why ove seen a couple of adverts for versions of that bass today. I dont like the song, don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Songs pretty meh and doesn't seem like a grower either. I like some of the riffs in their other album previews, but this isn't their finest work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I guess that's why ove seen a couple of adverts for versions of that bass today. I dont like the song, don't get it. Probably because I mentioned it in a post in this thread earlier this week too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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