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Muse, Band of Skulls

Staples Center Los Angeles, Calif. Jan. 23-24, 26, 2013

$2,580,539 43,836 / 43,836 3 / 3

$69.50, $35 Goldenvoice/AEG Live

 

Muse, Band of Skulls

Rose Garden Portland, Ore. Jan. 31, 2013

$412,790 6,824 / 7,364 1 / 0

$65, $55, $35 Live Nation

 

Muse, Band of Skulls

Oracle Arena Oakland, Calif. Jan 28, 2013

$772,873 11,431 / 11,431 1 / 0

$65, $55, $35 Live Nation

 

Got to talking about this topic in the cancelled Uniondale thread, so I thought we'd just have a place to come to with this kind of stuff. All that we have so far.

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Some from Europe..

 

Muse, Fin, The Joy Formidable

O2 Arena London, U.K. Oct. 26-27, 2012

$2,841,580 34,200 / 35,314 2 / 0

$88.48, $47.46 SJM Concerts

 

Muse, The Joy Formidable

Manchester Arena Manchester, U.K. Nov. 1, 2012

$1,500,370 18,754 / 19,220 1 / 0

$88.55, $47.50 SJM Concerts

 

Muse, Deap Vally

O2 World Hamburg, Germany Dec. 15, 2012

$830,727 13,885 / 13,885 1 / 1

$87.25, $72.18 Creative Talent

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More numbers released this week. Pretty decent for Chicago, anyway!

 

Muse, Dead Sara United Center

Chicago, Ill. March 4, 2013

$650,119 12,760 / 14,654 1 / 0

$59.50, $49.50, $35 Jam Productions

 

Muse, Dead Sara Tampa Bay Times Forum

Tampa, Fla. Feb. 23, 2013

$459,675 7,697 / 12,964 1 / 0

$65, $35 Frank Productions/C3 Presents

 

Muse, Dead Sara BBandT Center

Sunrise, Fla. Feb. 22, 2013

$390,380 6,470 / 7,235 1 / 0

$65, $35 Frank Productions/C3 Presents

 

Muse, Dead Sara Amway Center

Orlando, Fla. Feb. 25, 2013

$350,020 5,786 / 6,331

1 / 0 $65, $35 Frank Productions/C3 Presents

 

Muse, Dead Sara U.S. Bank Arena

Cincinnati, Ohio Feb. 27, 2013

$220,523 4,983 / 7,050

1 / 0 $49.50, $39.50 Frank Productions/C3 Presents

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More numbers released this week. Pretty decent for Chicago, anyway!

 

Muse, Dead Sara United Center

Chicago, Ill. March 4, 2013

$650,119 12,760 / 14,654 1 / 0

$59.50, $49.50, $35 Jam Productions

 

Muse, Dead Sara Tampa Bay Times Forum

Tampa, Fla. Feb. 23, 2013

$459,675 7,697 / 12,964 1 / 0

$65, $35 Frank Productions/C3 Presents

 

Muse, Dead Sara BBandT Center

Sunrise, Fla. Feb. 22, 2013

$390,380 6,470 / 7,235 1 / 0

$65, $35 Frank Productions/C3 Presents

 

Muse, Dead Sara Amway Center

Orlando, Fla. Feb. 25, 2013

$350,020 5,786 / 6,331

1 / 0 $65, $35 Frank Productions/C3 Presents

 

Muse, Dead Sara U.S. Bank Arena

Cincinnati, Ohio Feb. 27, 2013

$220,523 4,983 / 7,050

1 / 0 $49.50, $39.50 Frank Productions/C3 Presents

 

 

A big LOL, especially considering that the "capacity" numbers aren't even legit. These are capacity numbers are probably after the whole upper bowl has been draped off.... because Amaway's (ORLANDO) PROPER capacity is 16,486 (end stage concert)....as opposed to the listed 6,331 on this list.

 

That's the problem with the large scale stages they have.... they're forced to play bigger venues even though they might not be filling the seats.

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My guess is that Cincy, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando, Portland and Sacramento didn't even offer upper bowl tickets for sale, same as Columbus. Tampa had a capacity of 12,000ish. That means that they opened up the upper bowl, and only sold 7,800 tickets. But Tampa's dollars earned is not bad. They'll be back there. It comes down to money!

 

Now Cincinnati, on the other hand, makes me ashamed to be from Ohio. I doubt they made a profit on that show. Cincy and Columbus might be consolidated together in the future. HOPEFULLY IN COLUMBUS!!! ;)

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In regards to BB boxscore, reducing the capacity to a number that more accurately reflects what was actually available due to production/sight lines (or what makes the band/promoter look better) is not just specific to Muse or this tour. But yes, some of those are pretty bad. I think they're just spreading themselves way too thin; why on earth did Ohio need 3 shows??

 

It's kind of a lose-lose situation, they could play less shows overall and force more people into traveling farther. Or they can go back to playing smaller venues, in which case we'd have the pre-2007 situation where they have to neglect the US from experiencing the full arena production.

 

I'm not even sure how that Cincinnati show turned a profit for the band when all is said and done.

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They don't need to bring the big production to every city.... there were like 5 different BHAR sets... was there not?

 

Just have a smaller tour setup for smaller venues, so they can at least pull a profit or something...

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They don't need to bring the big production to every city.... there were like 5 different BHAR sets... was there not?

 

Just have a smaller tour setup for smaller venues, so they can at least pull a profit or something...

 

But see from the band's and maybe management's perspective I don't think they would want to leave behind the arena stage when they could still pull off an arena tour. Sure the fans here would absolutely love a small venue tour there might be a bit of casual surprise especially with how the band put up tour trailers and had interviews about the stage and everything.

 

Of course if they're really not selling well maybe they'd consider it more. But I doubt they'd scale back once they've already gone big.

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The problem is, they're not really pulling off the arena tour. Not in secondary markets in the US. 4,983 people in Cincinnati... that's about the same as what the PNC Pavilion holds, an outdoor pavilion in Cincy that is quite popular for mid-level bands. Tampa has the "Sundome", an arena with a max capacity of 10,000. When you eliminate rear stage seating, 7,800 people would fill that up nicely. These are just a couple examples. By doing this, they could generate the same amount of income and lower their production costs by downgrading venues. Also, people would say "the show was sold out", instead of "the show was half full". It just sounds better.

 

U2 had this problem on Popmart in 97. For over a decade prior, they had enjoyed success worldwide at the stadium level. Then the numbers were down considerably for this tour. Not to keep picking on Tampa, but in U2 by u2, The Edge claims there was a show in Tampa where 17,000 people showed up to a stadium built for 70,000. The production for Popmart was ridiculous, and I'm not sure how profitable it actually was. Their next tour in 2000-01 was Elevation, a stripped down affair that was almost entirely in arenas. It wasn't seen as retreating away from stadiums and big productions. It received universal praise, every show was sold out, and they made a shitload of money from it.

 

I would just be disapointed if Muse skipped out on Columbus/Cincy area next time because they can't fill an arena.

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Would have to see. Muse have always seemed to have a pride level to not step down their venue size. They worked pretty damn hard to get out of small venue status in the US in such a short time so admitting defeat in that regard might not go so well.

 

Just out of curiosity, were the numbers this bad last tour also? They're rather popular around here so I've never had much of a scope on this.

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All same venues:

 

Cincinncati 2010 - 7,099 people attending (of a "10,000" capacity)

 

Portland 2010 - 9,167 attending (of 10,343 capacity)

 

Oakland 2010 - 15,805 people (and "sold out")

 

Chicago 2010 - 16,284 in attendance (and "sold out")

 

In general the numbers this tour are less all around... =/

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I think part of the reason why numbers are down from the last tour is that the "twilight effect" has worn off. While this wasn't a real big phenomenon, it was enough to make people listen to Muse that normally wouldn't listen to any alternative rock band. Here's the 2010 info. It should be noted that Los Angeles actually did have 3 shows in 2010, but one of them was in Anaheim and is not listed.

 

32,031 - Los Angeles (2 shows) (43,836 2013, 3 shows)

16,284 - Chicago (12,760 2013)

15,818 - Montreal

15,805 - Oakland (11,431 2013)

15,537 - Toronto

15,380 - Philadelphia

14,770 - Boston

13,873 - Seattle

13,467 - Quebec City

12,505 - Newark

12,070 - Detroit (Auburn Hills)

11,267 - Atlanta (Duluth)

11,154 - Las Vegas

10,072 - Salt Lake City (West Valley City)

9,877 - Phoenix

9,836 - Fort Worth

9,167 - Portland (6,824, 2013)

8,876 - Edmonton

8,462 - Baltimore

7,833 - Columbus

7,794 - Minneapolis

7,721 - Nashville

7,648 - Calgary

7,500 - Fairfax

7,099 - Cincinnati (4,983 in 2013)

5,838 - Milwaukee

4,915 - Albuquerque (Rio Rancho)

 

TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 312,599

 

ESTIMATES FOR THE MISSING 12 SHOWS:

$2,250,000 - Mexico City (50,000 attendance)

$850,000 - New York (16,500 attendance)

$775,000 - Anaheim (16,000 attendance)

$675,000 - Denver (15,000 attendance)

$600,000 - Uniondale (12,000 attendance)

$550,000 - Houston (11,000 attendance)

$545,000 - San Diego (10,000 attendance)

$425,000 - Sacramento (9,000 attendance)

$400,000 - Vancouver (8,500 attendance)

$375,000 - Raleigh (7,500 attendance)

$325,000 - Charlottesville (7,500 attendance)

$300,000 - Oklahoma City (7,000 attendance)

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Some from Europe..

 

Muse, Fin, The Joy Formidable

O2 Arena London, U.K. Oct. 26-27, 2012

$2,841,580 34,200 / 35,314 2 / 0

$88.48, $47.46 SJM Concerts

 

That figure works out at 17,200 a night - there looked a lot more than that on night 2 from where I was sat.

 

In regards to the USA it does seem that they are struggling with that market. A more intimate tour might well be easier to shift tickets for tbh.

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