hipbones Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'm not gonna praise the song just because Chris wrote it which is what I swear everyone else likes it for intimate, heartfelt and personal things are all nice and stuff, but it doesn't excuse how dull the song is. I think that's the exact reason why people love it. OMG CHRIS GETS TO SING, IT'S HIS VERY OWN SONG THAT HE WROTE. That's great and I can see how personal a song it is, yadda yadda - but it builds up and leads to nothing. It's a real yawn, up there with GL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Trust me - there are SO many 'fans' like this. Of course there are the ones who know a few more than just that, but people who go just to say they have are really common. Why not play some of the more interesting material then because the singles have always been "awkward songs just tossed in to get some commercial appeal". All these fans that hear these "hits" are going to expect hits and then Micro Cuts/The Small Print/Take a Bow/Assassin will hit them in the face and they'll become uninterested in the band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Sammy! Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't think people pay £60-£70 just to hear a band they know a few hits by. Also, the less played songs are good enough that even if people haven't heard them before, they'll have instant impact. The people who have seen Muse even as little as 3 times must be getting bored of Starlight and might not react much to it these days. I could feel the drop in atmosphere in the crowd at Reading when OoS ended and the predictables began. Also, all the people at the arenas are some sort of Muse fan, whereas there would have been a significant number of non-Musers at Leeds/Reading as it's a festival. Nah, they do. I know plenty of people who have done it. I even know people who have gone to festivals 'to see Muse'. I was right up the front when I saw them at a festival over here and was talking to the girl beside me and said "I only know Uprising but I know Muse are good". Obviously she's only one person, but I know of others too. I imagine as a hardcore yourself, you would've been up the front with the other hardcores. It's very hard to gauge the reaction of people behind you when you're looking forward and only see more hardcores! As I said, gauging R/L in comparison to anything is ridiculous because the people who do bitch about stuff like this were the ones up the front who have heard it all before and experienced a gig for hardcores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasWay89 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 But the point made by both Matt and Chris regarding Chris singing is to allow Matt to rock out without having to think about singing Chris has every other song in the setlist to rock out to. True enough, but strangely, even though Matt is free to rock out Liquid State is far far more bass heavy and doesn't have a lot of crazy guitar. Though live...that could change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjartrod Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I wasn't there - I watched the stream . Aww, thought you'd managed to get a ticket, guess not Hope the stream at least worked well for you. Small consolation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aikiclo Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't see why Muse shouldn't play lesser known songs. With the energy they deliver, their performance still gets to the crowd. And I think I have the right so say that since I travelled all the way from Mexico in order to attend R/L; half the setlist was rare and people were still having a good time. The only quiet moments were Screenager, Undisclosed Desires and Resistance(which I also think has no place on this tour's setlist, I think the BHAR songs fit better to The 2nd Law's themes). EDIT: But overall, I had an awesome time watching the stream. The boys still got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 True enough, but strangely, even though Matt is free to rock out Liquid State is far far more bass heavy and doesn't have a lot of crazy guitar. Though live...that could change... It actually has loads of guitar, it's just tuned down and playing in the bass range. But yes, it doesn't really have THAT much going on guitar wise...or songwise in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't see why Muse shouldn't play lesser known songs. With the energy they deliver, their performance still gets to the crowd. And I think I have the right so say that since I travelled all the way from Mexico in order to attend R/L; half the setlist was rare and people were still having a good time. R/L isn't exactly a fair comparison tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uccellino Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Nah, they do. I know plenty of people who have done it. I even know people who have gone to festivals 'to see Muse'. I was right up the front when I saw them at a festival over here and was talking to the girl beside me and said "I only know Uprising but I know Muse are good". Obviously she's only one person, but I know of others too. I imagine as a hardcore yourself, you would've been up the front with the other hardcores. It's very hard to gauge the reaction of people behind you when you're looking forward and only see more hardcores! As I said, gauging R/L in comparison to anything is ridiculous because the people who do bitch about stuff like this were the ones up the front who have heard it all before and experienced a gig for hardcores. I wasn't up the front at Leeds or Reading Festival crowds are rough! I was a good way back at both. I'm not that hardcore either. I only go to one concert per tour, unlike other people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigapoodle Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 hey remember when Muse set up that poll to play rarities and then everyone was all excited and chipper for some hits and then they played like 2 hits and those two songs were Bliss and CE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I always find it funny that people consider Citizen Erased some obscure song and then they play it at some random gig in New Jersey or at Lollapalooza and it gets some of the best reactions of the show (next to Stockholm/Uprising) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Sammy! Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I think that's the exact reason why people love it. OMG CHRIS GETS TO SING, IT'S HIS VERY OWN SONG THAT HE WROTE. That's great and I can see how personal a song it is, yadda yadda - but it builds up and leads to nothing. It's a real yawn, up there with GL. It's not the worst on the album, but it's certainly not memorable or worth praising in my eyes. It's not Musey at all. Without the Bellamy stamp, it's just 'Chris Wolstenholme writes a new song for new album'. I realise he is also part of Muse, but we can make excuses all day about stuff like that. All in all, it's boring. Why not play some of the more interesting material then because the singles have always been "awkward songs just tossed in to get some commercial appeal". All these fans that hear these "hits" are going to expect hits and then Micro Cuts/The Small Print/Take a Bow/Assassin will hit them in the face and they'll become uninterested in the band. I'm not sure what your point is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 CE gets great reactions but Muse are bored of it, so I say let it die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave. Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 At RHCP they played a few older songs like Higher Ground and despite 60% of the crowd not knowing the song the whole place got into it, singing lyrics they didn't know and having a good time. A great song, no matter how popular it is, will get a crowd going and will keep the whole place happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 hey remember when Muse set up that poll to play rarities and then everyone was all excited and chipper for some hits and then they played like 2 hits and those two songs were Bliss and CE avengaaaaaah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'm saying if people that aren't really fans go to a "pop-infested greatest hit gig" that is the music they will expect. They'll certainly be disappointed when Black Holes and Revelations sound nothing like Starlight. They'll be disappointed when Time is Running Out sounds very little like Absolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigapoodle Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 At RHCP they played a few older songs like Higher Ground and despite 60% of the crowd not knowing the song the whole place got into it, singing lyrics they didn't know and having a good time. A great song, no matter how popular it is, will get a crowd going and will keep the whole place happy. Higher Ground is a song that gets played on the radio nowadays despite its oldness. Not the best comparison. RHCP are radio-friendly in all sense of the word compared to Muse rly also, old RHCP songs are a lot alike new ones, where as old Muse songs seem massively different than the new stuff. Lotso schisms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 CE gets great reactions but Muse are bored of it, so I say let it die. How could they possibly be more bored of Citizen Erased, a song that appeared maybe 10-15 times throughout the past 3 years vs Plug in Baby or Starlight which was played at every single gig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I'm saying if people that aren't really fans go to a "pop-infested greatest hit gig" that is the music they will expect. They'll certainly be disappointed when Black Holes and Revelations sound nothing like Starlight. They'll be disappointed when Time is Running Out sounds very little like Absolution. Yes, but what is your point? That this will make the not-so-hardcore-fans leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 How could they possibly be more bored of Citizen Erased, a song that appeared maybe 10-15 times throughout the past 3 years vs Plug in Baby or Starlight which was played at every single gig? I suspect they're bored of all three, but feel more obliged to play the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 How could they possibly be more bored of Citizen Erased, a song that appeared maybe 10-15 times throughout the past 3 years vs Plug in Baby or Starlight which was played at every single gig? I think they are pretty bored of PiB too. At least Matt seemed tired of it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chryse Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I think they are pretty bored of PiB too. At least Matt seemed tired of it today. Matt mostly seemed tired of being sober today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigapoodle Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 are Muse just bored of all of their songs that aren't off of the 2nd Law cause it sure seems like it (and you could argue they're already bored of 2nd law anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I think they are pretty bored of PiB too. At least Matt seemed tired of it today. Matt didn't seem to give much of a fuck about anything tonight though Bar Animals perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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