Hat Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 So, for example, the original 2001 recording of Plug in Baby is the ultimate version of that song? Even now that they have Morgan as an additional live member and they are 10 years older (=with more experience)? That wasn't his point at all. He's not saying that the studio version is always better. He's saying that the goal of a studio recording is to get the ultimate version, which isn't the case with a live performance of a song that you have performed for 10+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 That wasn't his point at all. He's not saying that the studio version is always better. He's saying that the goal of a studio recording is to get the ultimate version, which isn't the case with a live performance of a song that you have performed for 10+ years. I didn't say "better" either Maybe the goal is to get the ultimate version at that moment, but this doesn't still mean that studio and live versions shouldn't be compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I didn't say "better" either Maybe the goal is to get the ultimate version at that moment, but this doesn't still mean that studio and live versions shouldn't be compared. ...does it really have to be clarified that he meant at that moment? Unless Muse can time travel, it's kinda obvious, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 ...does it really have to be clarified that he meant at that moment? Unless Muse can time travel, it's kinda obvious, isn't it? Maybe, yes. But still, I can't understand why that would mean that live and studio versions shouldn't be compared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Maybe, yes. But still, I can't understand why that would mean that live and studio versions shouldn't be compared Compared in what sense? I haven't checked in detail but I don't think anyone's said they shouldn't be compared at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Compared in what sense? I haven't checked in detail but I don't think anyone's said they shouldn't be compared at all. Humphrey Goldenbollocks said Studio production is about perfection and creating the "ultimate" version of the song and being to do things that aren't possible on stage, the two should never be compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Humphrey Goldenbollocks said Alright, alright. I think what he meant was that in producing the song you shouldn't focus solely on being able to play it live. Even though Muse does look at that sometimes a studio version will always have layers and effects that just can't be remade in live versions (even with Morgan). I guess never be compared entirely or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Maybe, yes. But still, I can't understand why that would mean that live and studio versions shouldn't be compared Because they are competing under so very different conditions. It's not fair to judge an overall performance by how well it stands up against a studio production, which makes it so much better when someone actually manages to live up to that studio recording. Fact is, Matt CAN live up to the studio vocals most of the time, and there is no studio magic or 100 takes behind his high note in for example Resistance, which is why I disagree with Haze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeboer01 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Fact is, Matt CAN live up to the studio vocals most of the time, and there is no studio magic or 100 takes behind his high note in for example Resistance, which is why I disagree with Haze. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryoma-kun Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I wonder how many takes it did to nail the SFA ending and how it actually did sound. I've always felt that those notes sounds a bit flat but the same time effortlessly in the studio version and I don't believe he could reproduce it live like that. Edit: Doesn't really sound like Matt's normal chest-voice either. More like a mixed-voice, which I don't recall I've heard him use live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeboer01 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I wonder how many takes it did to nail the SFA ending and how it actually did sound. I've always felt that those notes sounds a bit flat but the same time effortlessly in the studio version and I don't believe he could reproduce it live like that. Of course he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryoma-kun Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Of course he can. Good that we've got someone with all the correct answers here. So, based on exactly what do you draw those conclusions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Of course he can. And you'd know how? I'm not too keen on how people are just assuming stuff on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Because they are competing under so very different conditions. It's not fair to judge an overall performance by how well it stands up against a studio production, which makes it so much better when someone actually manages to live up to that studio recording. Fact is, Matt CAN live up to the studio vocals most of the time, and there is no studio magic or 100 takes behind his high note in for example Resistance, which is why I disagree with Haze. I was never saying he couldn't live up to it. Studio "magic" isn't just auto-tune and there's plenty more to being a great singer than just hitting notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I was never saying he couldn't live up to it. Studio "magic" isn't just auto-tune and there's plenty more to being a great singer than just hitting notes. Well what was the point then since that's what this thread is about? And I know that, still not sure how it relates to the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Well what was the point then since that's what this thread is about? And I know that, still not sure how it relates to the subject. Because I'm wondering why it matters? The guy isn't a parrot and going out and being perfect every time would just end up with Muse's live show being seen as cold and lacking in emotion (Although there are people who already see it like that). Also live versions of songs wouldn't evolve if the band had to play it perfectly every single time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Because I'm wondering why it matters? The guy isn't a parrot and going out and being perfect every time would just end up with Muse's live show being seen as cold and lacking in emotion (Although there are people who already see it like that). Also live versions of songs wouldn't evolve if the band had to play it perfectly every single time. This has nothing to do with hitting high notes in chest or falsetto though. I don't think anyone here expects a perfect performance or them trying to do it as much as possible as the studio version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 This has nothing to do with hitting high notes in chest or falsetto though. I don't think anyone here expects a perfect performance or them trying to do it as much as possible as the studio version. I think you might want to read the openly post again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I think you might want to read the openly post again. When I said "this" I meant your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 When I said "this" I meant your post. Even then, does it really matter? It's rock'n'roll, not opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 It's rock'n'roll, not opera.That's actually my reason for why he SHOULD do the notes in chest. I guess we can't really get this any further in that case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I actually think Matt has trying for perfection in performances more in recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I actually think Matt has trying for perfection in performances more in recent. As far as I see it, this is why he does it in falsetto. He's afraid of cracking or sounding bad, so he doesn't even try. OR he's just lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipso Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 He's even passed on the harder notes that are impossible to avoid onto Chris... Dead Star, Hyper Music, even SMBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 He's even passed on the harder notes that are impossible to avoid onto Chris... Dead Star, Hyper Music, even SMBH. I don't think Matt's ever actually sang the "yourself" bits in Dead Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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