Ash Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 What do we think of this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 Are there any exercises that you would suggest to make me a better player? Or is it just a case of keep playing? Listen to music passively and always listen to drumming that's way over your head. Eg: when I first listened to the robotic solo in Take The Veil Cerpin Taxt I thought ho. ly. shit. and gave up on it (I couldn't even count it, the time signature was all over the place, 7/8, 9/8, 11/8 changing all the time). Put TTVCT on a couple of times while I was playing Warcraft as background music and I absorbed the music and can now play it note for note. Same for Lateralus by Tool (9/8, 8/8, 7/8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ixty_6ix Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 Listen to music passively and always listen to drumming that's way over your head. Eg: when I first listened to the robotic solo in Take The Veil Cerpin Taxt I thought ho. ly. shit. and gave up on it (I couldn't even count it, the time signature was all over the place, 7/8, 9/8, 11/8 changing all the time). Put TTVCT on a couple of times while I was playing Warcraft as background music and I absorbed the music and can now play it note for note. Same for Lateralus by Tool (9/8, 8/8, 7/8). i agree, thats how i learnt never had a lesson, picked up 4/4, 3/4/ 6/8 pretty easily i can play them fluently now changing within a song. listen to dream theater, changed the whole concept of time signatures for me. i can now play 7/8 and 7/4 easily. id love to learn more 8/8 and 9/8 sound very intresting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteora.stan Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 wow just saw this thread.. I couldnt control the speed somehow...is it really a matter of practicing a lot? cuz I'm really mad at my losing speed in the recording.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicHoward Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 learn to play with a metronome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteora.stan Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 learn to play with a metronome. er...yea i did. and is it too early to play songs? I've learned for about 5 months:$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richiejazz Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 HAHAHAHAHAHA:LOL: :LOL: i should be able to manufacture something to hold it onto a boom stand, my Dad's obsessed with metal work and engineering, he's customised my hi hat stand to make it more powerful and durable, fancy selling your crasher mr richie jazz? lol no fraid not: im gonna try find a boom arm i dont need and cut off the screw bit of the cymbal mount - should work i think... they do have a stupid design though........your dad should patent something!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lick My Face Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Wouldn't 8/8 equate to 4/4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_man361 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Wouldn't 8/8 equate to 4/4? not necessarily... in essence yes, but (and i dont totally know why, but my music teacher was telling me something about it) tis something to do with the feeling and general rhythm of the piece... thats why you have stuff like 3/4 and 6/8 instead of just one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lick My Face Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 not necessarily... in essence yes, but (and i dont totally know why, but my music teacher was telling me something about it) tis something to do with the feeling and general rhythm of the piece... thats why you have stuff like 3/4 and 6/8 instead of just one of them. Well, I see how 3/4 and 6/8 are split up, but...how are 4/4 and 8/8 split? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bshuker Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Wouldn't 8/8 equate to 4/4? essentially, but if you are playing a piece using stuff with 8/8 you'd probably find a lot of other bars with 9/8s or 7/8s. imagine going along playing a piece in 8/8 then having a bar of 9/8 and then 7/8, it'd be easy enough to keep the beat, if you were in 4/4 then skipped to a 7/8 it'd be really difficult to keep the right feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bshuker Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Well, I see how 3/4 and 6/8 are split up, but...how are 4/4 and 8/8 split? You have to understand what the top and bottom numbers mean! The top number is how many beats in a bar, the bottom number is what value each of those beats are. So a bar of 4/4 has 4 crotchets. A bar of 8/8 has 8 quavers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Wouldn't 8/8 equate to 4/4? Yeah I suppose it would but if you play Lateralus, for example, it has phrasings that consist of one measure of 9/8, 8/8 then 7/8, if it was 9/8, 4/4, 7/8, you'd have to count at half speed for one measure to stay in time (if you count at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezev Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 sorry if this has already been asked but i don't want to look through 74 pages of posts. is dom's snare on the current tour a ludwig black beauty, a ludwig supraphonic in brass, or a tama artwood maple snare? i'm looking at the reading and leeds festival. i think its a supraphonic in brass because of its look and the lug style. but i'm not positive. any guesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lick My Face Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Yeah I suppose it would but if you play Lateralus, for example, it has phrasings that consist of one measure of 9/8, 8/8 then 7/8, if it was 9/8, 4/4, 7/8, you'd have to count at half speed for one measure to stay in time (if you count at all). What are you incinuating with your parenthesis? I'm thinking mathematically here (AS Level student here): So a bar of 4/4 has 4 crotchets. A bar of 8/8 has 8 quavers. From my point of view, they're the same, because I look at time signatures like fractions. Saying that there are 8 quavers in 8/8 and 4 crotchets in 4/4 is no help to me, because to me (and hopefully to anyone else) 8 quavers = 4 crotchets, hence 8/8 = 4/4. Now, back to Niles' point, if I'm playing quavers on, say, the ride during a piece, then surely whether I'm playing 8/8 or 4/4 is irrelavent, because in the end, I'm playing the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbage farmer Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Anyone got a drum tab for Take a Bow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_man361 Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 Yeah I suppose it would but if you play Lateralus, for example, it has phrasings that consist of one measure of 9/8, 8/8 then 7/8, if it was 9/8, 4/4, 7/8, you'd have to count at half speed for one measure to stay in time (if you count at all). great song, confused the hell out of me when i first heard that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megile Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 What are you incinuating with your parenthesis? I'm thinking mathematically here (AS Level student here): relax dude, he means if you were to count while you were playing, this is how you would count it... 9/8 8/8 7/8 I assume Niles doesnt count while playing lateralus, like me... instead you just feel the beat. Now, back to Niles' point, if I'm playing quavers on, say, the ride during a piece, then surely whether I'm playing 8/8 or 4/4 is irrelavent, because in the end, I'm playing the same thing? Niles already explained it pretty clearly. If you are switching between 9/8 8/8 7/8 for example, then it makes sense to have the time signature as 8/8 for convenience when counting (assuming you count at all) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lick My Face Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 relax dude, he means if you were to count while you were playing, this is how you would count it... 9/8 8/8 7/8 I assume Niles doesnt count while playing lateralus, like me... instead you just feel the beat. Niles already explained it pretty clearly. If you are switching between 9/8 8/8 7/8 for example, then it makes sense to have the time signature as 8/8 for convenience when counting (assuming you count at all) *light bulb suddenly lights up* Gotcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 sorry if this has already been asked but i don't want to look through 74 pages of posts. is dom's snare on the current tour a ludwig black beauty, a ludwig supraphonic in brass, or a tama artwood maple snare? i'm looking at the reading and leeds festival. i think its a supraphonic in brass because of its look and the lug style. but i'm not positive. any guesses? He's never used the Artwood and there's no such thing as a brass supra (only chrome over brass and nickel over brass (black beauty)). It's brass, has hideous Tama bridge lugs and a hairline finish. It is none other than the Tama Power Metal Brass snare (not the Starclassic Bell Brass). relax dude, he means if you were to count while you were playing, this is how you would count it... 9/8 8/8 7/8 I assume Niles doesnt count while playing lateralus, like me... instead you just feel the beat. That's what I was saying, not taking the piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Anyone got a drum tab for Take a Bow? ???? How is reading a sheet of pseudo-music more enlightening than just listening to the song (like the person who wrote the tab did)? I could even understand it if we were talking about something with a remotely interesting and/or dynamic rhythm but this is a Muse song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabbage farmer Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 ???? How is reading a sheet of pseudo-music more enlightening than just listening to the song (like the person who wrote the tab did)? I could even understand it if we were talking about something with a remotely interesting and/or dynamic rhythm but this is a Muse song I never said it was more enlightening, I just know how good some of the drummers are on this board, for example the tab for Assassin was brilliant. I myself am not a drummer and would not be able to work it all out, but I do not a tab in order to make a good guitar pro file and cover the song in my band. The drum bit does have some interesting fills, so just in future if you don't have a tab for it then shut up, you don't need to tell me what you think of my question. I just wanted a tab, if there isn't one then there isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAM Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 for example the tab for Assassin was brilliant. athankyaw what bit of Take A Bow do you need. The whole song is quite simple A floor tom / snare / bass / hi-hat foot build up Then a bass drum on every beat - a ride cymbal on every beat and a snare drum on ever other first beat (its in 3/4) R|x---x---x---|x---x---x---| S|------------|x-----------| B|x---x---x---|x---x---x---| every now and then he does a little roll thing too on the snare and a bit later in the song he adds an extra snare in there too. the fills are (in order) 1) Exactly the same as the assassin fill - but shorter (i think its this) R|x-----------| T|-----x------| S|x-xx----F---| F|------x-----| B|x---x--x--x-| 2) R|------------| T|----x-------| S|F-------F---| F|----x-------| B|--x---x---x-| 3)(both hands on snare on each snare hit) R|------------| T|--x---x-----| S|x---x---x---| F|--x---x-----| B|-x-x-x-x--x-| When i get some free time ill tab it out in full... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAM Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Ive tabbed it all and ive uploaded it to muselive. Been doing it all morning! haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3chris Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 think of it this way, if u had a metronome on during the changes that niles is on about the speed of it would change ... ah fuck it cba explainin lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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