matthijs Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 I agree with Haze's absolutely useful and helpful comment here Early on seems pointless, especially if your clean signal coming from the guitar is fine (and I don't think you should be looking into fixing bad clean sounds with a compressor - something about polishing a turd). You put the compressor where it's needed. Overly simplified: it's a patch for solving dynamic problem, or creating - or altering - the effect it follows (as in the case of the delay). Same thing when you'd talk about a gate - you put this at the point where a problem is introduced, to negate that. I found Keely's website had a good explanation on the matter of placement. https://robertkeeley.com/2013/07/squence-selector-why-order-of-pedals-matters/ The only reason I can think of for putting it early is creating a buffered signal, but there's simple pedals to do that instead. Even tuners do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Putting it early will change the transient. So effects like distortion have a different signal to work with, altering what tones you can get out of whatever distortion is being used. Can help make it easier to use lower gain settings. Also useful for different types of playing - percussive, solos with lots of sustained notes etc, better to have it early in the chain for that sort of thing as its useless after any other effects. Compression is used all the time on clean sounds and acoustic guitars, not really turd polishing. Edit - Basically its a potential solution to a problem/issue with your setup/sound and need to know what that issue is so it can be effectively solved. Its a very different question to where something like a delay goes in a chain. Edited January 12, 2017 by haze015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eh-D Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Brian Wampler has a great video about this in relation to overdrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocking Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 All this talk of octave effects makes me want to sell my Micro Terror and grab some kind of Whammy effect soon... Also long time no see my homies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 https://reverb.com/item/3939737-ovation-ultra-gp-1984-black-beauty-lp-killer-qotsa-kyuss-josh-homme ...fuck. That's one of the black ones! I paid less than that for Josh's old one... must resist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 https://reverb.com/item/3939737-ovation-ultra-gp-1984-black-beauty-lp-killer-qotsa-kyuss-josh-homme ...fuck. That's one of the black ones! I paid less than that for Josh's old one... must resist... Nice. New guitar for jaemsninti...? On another note, I managed to break my volume pedal today . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Which volume pedal? If it's an ernie ball, I'm guessing you broke the string? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Which volume pedal? If it's an ernie ball, I'm guessing you broke the string? It's a bespeco one I got dead cheap on ebay years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Ovation is gone, did you buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Ovation is gone, did you buy it? Afraid so, but he accepted my offer for a bit less. Still the world's most expensive Korean LP copy Sorry Jaicen, I know how much you like these guitars. I found another one, and for a surprisingly reasonable price https://reverb.com/item/3903846-ovation-gp-1431-1982-sunburst Of course, it's not a black one, and those are more Kyuss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-MSfd2S7lo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Not sure I have an opinion either way, though the sunburst is quite nice. I paid about that for my e6 though, I'm sure it's not as good as that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Not sure I have an opinion either way, though the sunburst is quite nice. I paid about that for my e6 though, I'm sure it's not as good as that? As nice as an E6 or your E6? It's sort of like how Bs' MB-1 is better than all of the other ones. But no, I wouldn't say it's as good, but it's a completely different guitar. I usually wouldn't agree with the whole "LP killer" comment, as only a gibson is good enough (right??) and it's usually just to hype everything up, but it's surprising really. The only reason they're so expensive is because of QOTSA... apparently he got his first one for $200 or something like that in 1991, and the other two for $700 several years later. http://www.junkguitars.com/stories/ovation.html Good read about these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocking Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 https://reverb.com/item/3939737-ovation-ultra-gp-1984-black-beauty-lp-killer-qotsa-kyuss-josh-homme ...fuck. That's one of the black ones! I paid less than that for Josh's old one... must resist... My friend paid about 200 for the Eastwood Ultra GP model. He recently sold it because he used his LP more, and went and bought a Wampler Pinnacle and also some Gretsch guitar. I can't say I like the model he got MORE but it certainly is nice as fuck. I had actually no idea Ovation made that model/style, that's bonkers lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 What do you guys think of this? http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/namm-2017-gibson-reveals-2017-traditional-high-performance-and-ultra-affordable-s-series-electric-guitar-line-up-646926 I quite like the S Series LP Custom Special. Crazy to think that the cheapest guitar in Gibson lineup will start at $399 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocking Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 What do you guys think of this? http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/namm-2017-gibson-reveals-2017-traditional-high-performance-and-ultra-affordable-s-series-electric-guitar-line-up-646926 I quite like the S Series LP Custom Special. Crazy to think that the cheapest guitar in Gibson lineup will start at $399 though. The M2 models already are cheap as heck too, wow. I'm gonna try to definitely pick up Gibson models then. Hopefully a Les Paul in a blue finish and a Firebird in a red or blue finish. The only problem is I know for sure that they wont put great pickups in them (easily fixable) and I'm iffy about wiring and electronics (also easy fix). Maybe limited finish options? but for 399 who can really complain lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 My friend paid about 200 for the Eastwood Ultra GP model. He recently sold it because he used his LP more, and went and bought a Wampler Pinnacle and also some Gretsch guitar. I can't say I like the model he got MORE but it certainly is nice as fuck. I had actually no idea Ovation made that model/style, that's bonkers lol. That's what the eastwood is a replica of - there were only around 400 of the originals in 1984. Ovation appeared to be working on a reissue last year, but I don't think anything became of it. What do you guys think of this? http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/namm-2017-gibson-reveals-2017-traditional-high-performance-and-ultra-affordable-s-series-electric-guitar-line-up-646926 I quite like the S Series LP Custom Special. Crazy to think that the cheapest guitar in Gibson lineup will start at $399 though. I'd imagine you're paying for the name and not a whole lot else. Even if you get all of it for that price: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocking Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 That's what the eastwood is a replica of - there were only around 400 of the originals in 1984. Ovation appeared to be working on a reissue last year, but I don't think anything became of it. I had no idea, not even kidding. I don't like the Ovation headstock but fuck if the sound is like the GP and Josh in general can't deny it in the slightest. looks hype as heck. I'd imagine you're paying for the name and not a whole lot else. Even if you get all of it for that price: I'm sure as well. To be honest, for 599/699 I'd rather get a faded model or something or just go a little higher and get a trans blue used gibson somewhere, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I had no idea, not even kidding. I don't like the Ovation headstock but fuck if the sound is like the GP and Josh in general can't deny it in the slightest. looks hype as heck. I'm sure as well. To be honest, for 599/699 I'd rather get a faded model or something or just go a little higher and get a trans blue used gibson somewhere, imo. Yeah, though somehow I think it works with that shape. I have no experience with the eastwood, but the original one is definitely a big part of the earlier sound. I did this with the other one. Mind, it was going through an identical setup (although more what he used for LTP) but still [soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/jamespetrow/no-1-nose[/soundcloud] And I recall they were doing a charcoal finish thin line LP of some sort. I can't remember what it was called, but it was fairly recent. I think it was in the $600 range. Seemed interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Raised the height of my sustainiac since I lowered it too much a while ago which made it really weak, and now the driver is loose. It's as if there's nothing pushing it up away from the body. It still works fine, but the wobbling is a little worrying. Any advice on how to sort that? Edited January 17, 2017 by nerd herd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Raised the height of my sustainiac since I lowered it too much a while ago which made it really weak, and now the driver is loose. It's as if there's nothing pushing it up away from the body. It still works fine, but the wobbling is a little worrying. Any advice on how to sort that? You'll need to add a bit of that foam material underneath. Sounds like it compressed or something when you lowered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I have a theory, unproven of course, that the sustainer would perform better if it had a rigid fixing to the body using a wooden shim or suchlike. Given that it's driving the strings, it's likely to cause a reaction force that wants to push and pull it away from the body. I've noted that this occurs in the homebrew experiments I've done, so no reason to think it doesn't occur with the commercial units too. tl/dr: try fixing it with a wooden shim instead of foam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 James, looks like the bass got through the wood police! Should be getting here tomorrow or so. That was a close one though, would not recommend Ordered a Whammy V from Ebay, seller sent me 2 and didn't know it . Returning the extra one to them today. Couldn't bring myself to keep it & rip them off Now that I have the Whammy, how do I Fury? :love: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerd herd Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 You'll need to add a bit of that foam material underneath. Sounds like it compressed or something when you lowered it. This worked, thanks! I have a theory, unproven of course, that the sustainer would perform better if it had a rigid fixing to the body using a wooden shim or suchlike. Given that it's driving the strings, it's likely to cause a reaction force that wants to push and pull it away from the body. I've noted that this occurs in the homebrew experiments I've done, so no reason to think it doesn't occur with the commercial units too. tl/dr: try fixing it with a wooden shim instead of foam. That would make sense, might try that if/when I take the sustainer out again. Have you built your own one? Ordered a Whammy V from Ebay, seller sent me 2 and didn't know it . Returning the extra one to them today. Couldn't bring myself to keep it & rip them off Now that I have the Whammy, how do I Fury? :love: How does the wooly mammoth work with the whammy? The fuzz factory sounds shit with it. +-1 octave harmony and some delay for fury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james90 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 James, looks like the bass got through the wood police! Should be getting here tomorrow or so. That was a close one though, would not recommend Ordered a Whammy V from Ebay, seller sent me 2 and didn't know it . Returning the extra one to them today. Couldn't bring myself to keep it & rip them off Now that I have the Whammy, how do I Fury? :love: Why, did they delay it at all? The wood police came after me yesterday. Need to submit some forms today. The question is why he had two to begin with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8tPpS7MI6s Unless he's a dealer that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 How does the wooly mammoth work with the whammy? The fuzz factory sounds shit with it. +-1 octave harmony and some delay for fury. Thank you! Haven't tried the mammoth with whammy, I'll do it later today. For the +- octave, when do I press my foot? And do I bring my heel back all the way? I never used this type of pedal before so I have no idea Also what should the amp setting be? Why, did they delay it at all? The wood police came after me yesterday. Need to submit some forms today. The question is why he had two to begin with Aw, that sucks He's a dealer, yeah, so I'm guessing it's a mis-ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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