CarrieB Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 hmm. Got to wonder if you're just a troll sometimes. You keep forgetting Nagasaki as well. Also, no one appears to be offended by my comments. Nagasaki, okay. And Discoprincess32 has also said you were over generalising but you haven't bothered to respond. Your comment was directed at me so obviously I'm more like to respond. You just had to pick didn't you?! I think that is closer to trolling. Anyway I will try not to respond to your digs on this thread anymore, as it's getting silly. There must be something in the air tonight. Everyone gunning for each other. Well of course some people are always gunning for others, it just seems worse this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discoprincess32 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Did either of you read what I wrote?! Quit arguing! The bombing of Japan was a horrible mistake and I know the splitting of the atom was something Einstien regreted doing. But everything happens for a reason, Tough lesson to learn, but we need to learn from mistakes and move on! @CarrieB I'm glad you did read what I wrote. I must have just missed your post, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyssa_ Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 So, I read the first page, which seemed fine... then skipped to four. Now it's a fucking trainwreck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Oops! Sorry, I went off on a tangent there. Sorry! US and wold history is a major thing to me and I like to have facts straight. Don't blame all of Europe for a couple of countries leaders horrible, HORRIBLE missteps. It was a bad time for most countries in the 30s and 40s. I was asked a question about what I thought was the worst period in European history, which I feel is the two world wars. My point still stands about Europe, because there's far more than just the 1930/40's! I don't think this is even the beginning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe And 65 years of generally being peaceful is impressive for this continent, but still a relatively short space of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discoprincess32 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 I was asked a question about what I thought was the worst period in European history, which I feel is the two world wars. My point still stands about Europe, because there's far more than just the 1930/40's! I don't think this is even the beginning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe And 65 years of generally being peaceful is impressive for this continent, but still a relatively short space of time. In the whole scheme of things, yes, you are correct. But the US is quickly slipping into awfuldom. This, I'm sure, we can all agree on. Esp if Glenn Beck and the teaparty are able to take hold of us here. Canada here I come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 In the whole scheme of things, yes, you are correct. But the US is quickly slipping into awfuldom. This, I'm sure, we can all agree on. Esp if Glenn Beck and the teaparty are able to take hold of us here. Canada here I come! Of course I agree there, I was never trying to argue otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KockAnders Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 So, I read the first page, which seemed fine... then skipped to four. Now it's a fucking trainwreck. Godwin's law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbunny Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 This is true. FDR didn't want to get involved even after Europe requested thier assistance. USA back then was still in the depths of the great depression. We only got involved when Japan bombed Hawaii, which still wasn't a state yet. FDR *did* want to be involved... read Churchill's autobiographical account of WWII. We started getting involved in baby steps, via lend-lease and escorting merchant ships across the Atlantic. FDR's keenness on getting into the war is what fuels the conspiracy theory that FDR knew about the imminent attack on Pearl Harbour and did nothing. You are right that Americans were not keen, but even Europe wasn't keen on war so soon after the war to end all wars. Europe, though, wasn't given a choice. And I agree with you that I really do fear the way this country (the US) is headed. I've already got my "out" to the Netherlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fizzers Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Glenn Beck is a retarded Hitler wannabe and all he does is bring out the stupidity in other stupid people. And... I totally didn't read past the first few posts. Oops. Oh, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum IV Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Who the fuck is Glenn Beck? Just another douche who has made people listen to him by spilling utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn91 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 "Now you have to remember that these are Europeans and they have been degraded for a very long time, really since the beginning of time. They have had very few glimpses of real freed" Wth? Ugh.. I HATE Glenn Beck. He's an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn91 Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I know Glen Beck is a nutter, but I really do hope that Americans don't genuinely think that the Brits regard themselves as 'European'. Culturally, historically etc, it's just a very simplistic thing to say. oh and lol obviously Britain is in Europe. Geography wise, it's in Europe. Brits are European. I live in Norway, which is also in Europe. Norway isn't a member of the EU, but I have no problem saying I'm "European". Of course, I'd use Norwegian and Scandinavian before European. But since I live in Europe, I'm European. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JessicaSarahS Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 The republican right has really embraced Muse as their band. Makes me ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belldomhappens Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 My mom is his number one fan, ugh. (Bush's too, for that matter, ugh), I read about this and laughed. I'm surprised she hasn't said something to me about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Britain is in Europe. Geography wise, it's in Europe. Brits are European. I live in Norway, which is also in Europe. Norway isn't a member of the EU, but I have no problem saying I'm "European". Of course, I'd use Norwegian and Scandinavian before European. But since I live in Europe, I'm European. Obviously. That's the whole point! Just there's no real european identity, so it doesn't really mean anything much beyond the physical continent. People in Britain will generally be English/Welsh/Scottish/Northern Irish before British and Europe is a foreign land across the sea. What's great about Europe is all the different cultures all right next to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Also, no one appears to be offended by my comments. That's not true at all, but some of us can't be bothered to get involved and waste energy in futile arguments. It's not the nature of what you're saying that grates, it's that you say it with such an air of self-righteousness and thinking your opinions are somehow better than others. I don't particularly agree with CarrieB here, but she doesn't go around calling you thick or ignorant or whatever - just let opinions lie instead of feeling high and mighty for putting others down. Sorry, I just had to say that cos I see this sort of shit all the time on here and it never fails to fuck me off. That's why I barely post here anymore. Anyways, rant over. You guys can go back to arguing pointlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Nothing about what I've been posting has had anything to do with opinion apart from one question were I was asked for an opinion! And CarrieB called me a bigot and I'm bored of her constant trolling and trying to twist everything into being about opinion. I don't think calling her thick was out of order if she can't differentiate between fact and opinion. And when I said about no one being offended, I was referring to no one being offended by me posting a basic fact that Europe has historically been an extremely violent continent, which I don't regard as being offensive and don't understand why anyone would do. Far too much bullshit for saying something a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareeh Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 i wouldn't call europe the worst continent. north america is still the worst, canada kinda makes north america better, but then you remember beaver is from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I am sorry that I called you a bigot Jase (is that your real name?) if your intention wasn't to belittle and discredit Europeans (or me saying I was proud to be European) by the nature of belonging to the European continent, but you did start off by suggesting that Americans were somehow "cute" to feel they have their own identity, which sounded rather superior and condenscending to me tbh. I wasn't referring to history but that I personally feel that Europe now has a better attitude (for want of a better word) than America and Britain. True, a lot of this is a result of powers that be in the European Union but that doesn't make it less hopeful to me. Sweden particularly is frequently held up as having a social model that is superior to the neoliberal one, that we and America have, and it does appear to me that Europe has a more humanitarian outlook. That doesn't mean I consider the outlook perfect in every way. But, if I prefer to identify myself as European, as a British national who lives in Europe, which I did in a light hearted way, it shouldn't really be a problem to you, should it? Or a reason to cause an argument incidentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Jase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haze015 Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 but you did start off by suggesting that Americans were somehow "cute" to feel they have their own identity, which sounded rather superior and condenscending to me tbh. (Which is almost a bit cute :chuckle ) I was only suggesting "American" values are British, not that American's don't have their own identity as that would be a ridiculous statement to make. Also European countries do vary politically, I don't feel it's possible to claim a particular trend overall. For every more left-leaning country, there's a more right-wing one. It's one big complicated mess. A lot of what the EU tries to do I do generally agree with mind, just don't understand what Europe is to an individual to identity with in a way an American would or British and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I wasn't referring to history but that I personally feel that Europe now has a better attitude (for want of a better word) than America and Britain. This sounds really odd to me as britain is a part of Europe. And I assume that when you say 'America' you mean the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrieB Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I was only suggesting "American" values are British, not that American's don't have their own identity as that would be a ridiculous statement to make. Also European countries do vary politically, I don't feel it's possible to claim a particular trend overall. For every more left-leaning country, there's a more right-wing one. It's one big complicated mess. A lot of what the EU tries to do I do generally agree with mind, just don't understand what Europe is to an individual to identity with in a way an American would or British and so on. Okay fair enough. I probably am thinking more in lines of the European Union, but I also like the fact that Europe is culturally diverse. I prefer to Britain to be another contributor to that diversity than stand alone. This sounds really odd to me as britain is a part of Europe. And I assume that when you say 'America' you mean the USA? Yes, of course Britain is within Europe geographically, but politically. and in it's social policy, it is moving closer and closer to the USA which imo isn't a good thing. In fact the way this country is making cuts at present I think we are in danger of becoming close to North America in relation to social policy very fast. By the way I don't see how American values can be described as British. I don't think the "American dream" was part of British culture until recently. It generally seems to be that we follow them rather than the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxomflirter Queef Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 So when you say you are proud to be 'European' you are proud to be geographically within a part of the world which has better politically and has better social policies from your own country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discoprincess32 Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 i wouldn't call europe the worst continent. north america is still the worst, canada kinda makes north america better, but then you remember beaver is from there. This!!! I already said I'm moving North to Canada, beiber or not, if thisn country continues in this "uber religious right concervative" downturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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