Alec Ferris Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is a song-writer the same as a composer though? It's a blurry old line and I don't know enough to get involved in that argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is a song-writer the same as a composer though? Try to define a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Mckenna Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Song writer > words composer > music Great artists are often both, but, for exemple : Michael Jackson didn't compose all his music (he had some great bands for arrange or create music on his ideas), but the words of the songs are his own, I think. Matthew Bellamy is a great great great song writer in every sens, words and music . Edited February 18, 2014 by Terence Mckenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Song writer > words Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yeah he did a really good job with those 5 good songs that Nirvana has. Nahhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Mckenna Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Nope. ok:unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Nope. Actually I think he explained it pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 ok:unsure: Lyricist is the word you wanted to use. Actually I think he explained it pretty well. Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Nahhhh Fine, one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Fine, one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Lyricist is the word you wanted to use. Nah. Words+music then. I think even licensing only credits on lyrics and melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Nah. Well if you were to separate the two, then how would you describe it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Well if you were to separate the two, then how would you describe it? Lyricist is the one who writes the lyrics, songwriter is the one who writes the song (which might have lyrics or might be instrumental). Songwriting can include lyrics, but saying "songwriter > words" is wrong. edit: if the melody is written by A and the lyrics are written by B, I'd say A and B wrote the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Lyricist is the one who writes the lyrics, songwriter is the one who writes the song (which might have lyrics or might be instrumental). Songwriting can include lyrics, but saying "songwriter > words" is wrong. So where does a composer fit into that? It's hardly wrong, it's just not necessarily all of their job.. plus, he put it there to use it as a feature of songwriting that separates it from composing, not to say that that's all they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frakkles Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Nirvana wrote a good song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Lyricist is the one who writes the lyrics, songwriter is the one who writes the song (which might have lyrics or might be instrumental). Songwriting can include lyrics, but saying "songwriter > words" is wrong. edit: if the melody is written by A and the lyrics are written by B, I'd say A and B wrote the song. Condiering the only that separates "song" from just "music" is the lyrics, it would only make sense that "songwriter" is distinctive from general "composer" because of writing words along to the music. How about Composer = music Lyricist = words Songwriter = words + music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_ Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 How about Composer = music Lyricist = words Songwriter = words + music Works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 So where does a composer fit into that? It's hardly wrong, it's just not necessarily all of their job.. plus, he put it there to use it as a feature of songwriting that separates it from composing, not to say that that's all they do. Oh wait, I wasn't saying songwriter and composer are that different, my reply to Tim was there because I couldn't think of a difference, but I don't deny there might be one. I'd argue that songwriting can include both composing and writing lyrics, but it also be the same as just composing if lyrics aren't there (duh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Condiering the only that separates "song" from just "music" is the lyrics, it would only make sense that "songwriter" is distinctive from general "composer" because of writing words along to the music. How about Composer = music Lyricist = words Songwriter = words + music That's where songwriter and composer become synonyms, yeah. The actual question is: why is this thread still open? edit: I disagree with the first part, an instrumental piece still is a song imo (didn't we have the same discussion last year somewhere in Other Music? Just semantics though really) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 That's where songwriter and composer become synonyms, yeah. When are they exactly synonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 edit: I disagree with the first part, an instrumental piece still is a song imo (didn't we have the same discussion last year somewhere in Other Music? Just semantics though really) Yes we did. And if you can find me a definition of "song" that doesn't specifically mention the inclusion of lyrics I'll change my mind. And of course it's just semantics but I'm bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yes we did. And if you can find me a definition of "song" that doesn't specifically mention the inclusion of lyrics I'll change my mind. I don't want to look for definitions, it's just how I see it. Sleepwalk City is a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Mckenna Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 I am looking the DVD in Rome, it's fucking amazing, Matt is at his best, all the songs/compositions/tunes are great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I am looking the DVD in Rome, it's fucking amazing, Matt is at his best, all the songs/compositions/tunes are great Matt & The Muse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I don't want to look for definitions. ok then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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