kueller
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Why did Dee leave this board for Reddit of all places?
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The Mayan was the only one that flopped in regards to getting fans into the concert. Webster's problems were technical and even then people were generally happy. The European gigs the same. So many of the regulars here were able to attend. They weren't perfect. No gig was. There were still a lot of fans. Some people from other countries showed up to the American concerts, which was a real nasty thing to do, but there wasn't mass migration of Europeans. Only a handful of people can even afford that. So many of their small venue concerts go by well for such a large band. I don't know where you're getting that any future attempts will end up like the one major fuck up. If all our speculations and plans are going to fall to the most self-defeating worst case scenarios there's no point in even having a gig section on this forum.
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Most of these are bad planning and held back slots. If we're planning dates we're assuming ideal situations. I just heard from a board member that Webster was relatively easy.
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Still doesn't mean people know them now.
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Amidst all this I also agree another Psycho Tour isn't going to stop complaining if they immediately fall back to not bringing those songs elsewhere.
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I don't see why they can't spread out the coastal venues or just play multiple nights at the same venue for consistency instead of bouncing around the city. But the number I think is OK. Inevitable fact is that you're going to have a lot of people travelling in the US. It's the downside of having a giant country, cheaper gas, and subsequentially shitty public transit. Also that the big chunk in the middle is less populated and even less populated by Muse fans. They do like Texas though so maybe a couple gigs around Texas.
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Is that not enough? From what I heard most people who wanted to get into Webster got in. The Mayan could have been the same. That was only 2 concerts. A few more with reasonably advanced announcements I think could accommodate a lot of people.
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Oh no we're getting political.
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Clearly, they didn't want to piss people off on purpose, unless they're bigger dicks than we think.
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Who said it was done on purpose?
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It isn't 2010 though, and since the last tour every song that has been requested that wasn't flat out refused has shown up somewhere.
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Considering he just played what he considers a "rarities setlist", and what most of us considers a "rarities setlist", I think he knows. And as a side, when CE became more common in the arenas and festivals people were pleased, so it's better than nothing if the only outcome is a nice staple.
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I've been on the other side of trying to please an audience that is never pleased, from having friends that deal with that sort of thing, in different media though. I can sympathize with the confusion. It's not really worth trying to figure out what Matt was thinking during his twitter posts. It's Twitter, not a conference. It's telling enough that everyone's interpretation of what was between the lines has fallen nicely with all the other arguments they've made on this issue. I'll see where it goes. Hard to find universally liked fan favorites, but in general people seem to want rock. There was even the recent consensus that Starlight would be more acceptable if it was played the way it was a decade ago. The arena tour had a lot of downtime, both literally and just energy-wise.
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There are people like that. But The 2nd Law tour was an interesting setup in that people were actually positive. Not without criticism but the net attitudes were good. So I think it is possible to still "win" in some way.
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Ok my point about hardcore fans was beyond just song knowledge. There's hardcore fans that have never even seen the band live once. What separates the inner fanbase in the dedication. They're the ones who follow the band through their insane moments, that religiously listen to every song they are possibly capable of listening to. Searching up bootlegs, buying the region locked Absolution Tour DVD a year before a region unlocked version is released, spreading the word of the band to others, etc. These are a minority. Always. Any band, and media, the number of real hardcore followers is going to be smaller than the casuals. But they're important, because they're not just in it for an album or a few songs, but properly in it for the band. If they're recognized they will be the real strength of the following.
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I got that but that was not the point I was making. Assuming I was the one being replied to.
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Anyone who has seen them in the past 10 years will have likely seen Starlight at every gig. Doesn't mean they know the existence of Dead Star and Spiral Static.
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Extra thoughts without explanations: Hardcore fans are a small minority of crowds. They're also an important minority of crowds. The hits are going to be played. Muse are a hits band. If you don't like a large number of known staples their concert might not be for you. You are not owed a good setlist. That's too arbitrary to compromise. You are owed a good concert overall. Any band should play every show like it's their last. Performances, more universally, have been agreed to be too stale. They don't read the board. Their true interaction has only been a few fan small conversations. The only setlist that really matters is the one you see yourself. It's just a band.
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I've been mostly pleased from all concerts despite not having the super rarities. This tour was the first time I was actually disappointed. I was already getting annoyed at the set differences between continents but throughout 2015 they really showed signs of improving. It's the inequality that seems to be spurring most of the complaints. At least the ones I'd agree with.
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In Europe. And people were ok with those concerts. Most at least.
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I'm sure many would still enjoy the song live without it. As they have for 5 tours now.
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If you mean the really high note he hasn't sung that in over 10 years.
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The Outside Lands video of B&H from the multi-cam I did is blocked. It's the only one of the batch that was blocked. Luckily it's still in the full concert video.
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The important thing to take away from all this is that someone needs to write the lyrics to Debase on Matt's lyric sheet next time Assassin comes up.
