kiernana Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I thought he had a degree in media studies? i'm majoring in media studies and if it's like my program, then it doesn't mean much. we only have to take one video class, albeit its a long ass class, but only one... our programs means you get basic training in all types of media comm. i'm there for the radio option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOD Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be pedantic, it's just something that has interested me. I've been watching the Hullabaloo DVD like a hawk, specifically Space Dementia. I've begun to wonder if Matt actually plays the big dramatic ending at all. There are a number of reasons for this. If you look at camera angle 1 on the DVD, there is a craning shot moving upwards of matt doing a big, dynamic, low C major chord (at 47mins, 17½ seconds)... if you watch carefully, you see him quickly move his right hand to push a button on his piano. However, if you look at Camera angle 3 - the camera attached to the piano - you don't see him do this. Perhaps the craning shot was from a different take? But that doesn't show that he's not playing it. The thing that DOES, is that whatever camera angle you choose, half the time, chords we hear, he isn't even playing. A good example is the last three identical chords - B, D#, F# and A - he only visually hits those chords twice though before glissing downwards, but audibly plays them three times. Perhaps the button he presses is a play button? Because not only that, the actual solo at the end is way too melodic to be possible, it seems. I have tried copying exactly what he does, and it's damned difficult to get it that accurate. It would have to be written, the sort of dischordant chords he plays can't really be spontaneous, maybe it's possible actually, but it definitely wasn't done here. Unless... The reason we don't see him play the third chord at the end is because the audio and video from two different takes was mixed. As I said, camera angles 1 and 3 are different when he hits the C major chord. But then why did he press that button in one take and not in the other? Did anybody actually GO to the Hullabaloo gig at Le Zenith in Paris? If so, did they do multiple takes? Check it out and see what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesium Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 They did two night and i believe the dvd showed both nights. Maybe it was takes from different nights or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironlunged Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 If I had the DVD, I'd investigate for you. But that's some pretty impressive attention to detail you've got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesy Grin Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Jonny youve got to think things through. Its a 2 night thing. Check the back of the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doog Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 yeah, astonishingly even Matt can't play the songs in exactly the same way twice who'd have thunk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*~SugarSnow~* Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Wow...I totally didn't notice...because...I just didn't. But yeah, the whole 2 nights thing might be just about right. Really though, I have no clue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 my opinion is... who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naughtica Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not trying to be pedantic, it's just something that has interested me. I've been watching the Hullabaloo DVD like a hawk, specifically Space Dementia. I've begun to wonder if Matt actually plays the big dramatic ending at all. There are a number of reasons for this. If you look at camera angle 1 on the DVD, there is a craning shot moving upwards of matt doing a big, dynamic, low C major chord (at 47mins, 17½ seconds)... if you watch carefully, you see him quickly move his right hand to push a button on his piano. However, if you look at Camera angle 3 - the camera attached to the piano - you don't see him do this. Perhaps the craning shot was from a different take? But that doesn't show that he's not playing it. The thing that DOES, is that whatever camera angle you choose, half the time, chords we hear, he isn't even playing. A good example is the last three identical chords - B, D#, F# and A - he only visually hits those chords twice though before glissing downwards, but audibly plays them three times. Perhaps the button he presses is a play button? Because not only that, the actual solo at the end is way too melodic to be possible, it seems. I have tried copying exactly what he does, and it's damned difficult to get it that accurate. It would have to be written, the sort of dischordant chords he plays can't really be spontaneous, maybe it's possible actually, but it definitely wasn't done here. Unless... The reason we don't see him play the third chord at the end is because the audio and video from two different takes was mixed. As I said, camera angles 1 and 3 are different when he hits the C major chord. But then why did he press that button in one take and not in the other? Did anybody actually GO to the Hullabaloo gig at Le Zenith in Paris? If so, did they do multiple takes? Check it out and see what you think. sir!!! sir!!! your fucking awesome u have made me day! i tip my hat to u sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palo Alto Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 yeah ive noticed the same thing, that last chords he plays to end the song, before going to all the sliding on the keys, you hear the chord played about 4-5 times, but instead hes already moving his hands up and down lol. its probably just an editing mistake. i mean, ive also noticed on Hyper music, if you go on Chris' angle, you see him singing on the mic, but on the left hand side his in the middle of the stage bopping lol. its all in the editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*~SugarSnow~* Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Surely no one is suggesting that it's all fake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erroneous Fiend Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Surely no one is suggesting that it's all fake! its not fake as people have said its of two concerts. they used the audio from 'prety much one night' but one concert was used for mostly close ups and the other for distant shots so thats why they dont match up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*~SugarSnow~* Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 its not fake as people have said its of two concerts. they used the audio from 'prety much one night' but one concert was used for mostly close ups and the other for distant shots so thats why they dont match up. yehakno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branwen Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Maybe someone can help me! (please) - I've had that dvd since it came out but can't get it to play on my dvd player or the computer or ps2 help!! is it broken or am i just being real dumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*~SugarSnow~* Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Maybe someone can help me! (please) - I've had that dvd since it came out but can't get it to play on my dvd player or the computer or ps2 help!! is it broken or am i just being real dumb? Hmm...that really shouldn't happen. You got the right region of player and DVD? Is there even a Region 1 copy available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBag Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Hmm...that really shouldn't happen. You got the right region of player and DVD? Is there even a Region 1 copy available? I got mine off a Asia website.. and its a region 0 it said.. basically it said it can work on any DVD player, so i got it... Because i knew the whole region thing it wouldnt work.. So im very happy i got this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
branwen Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 well it's a region 2 dvd player but the dvd itself says it plays in all regions? maybe it's just me! aah well thanks for your help! Might have to buy another copy but keeping the old one as i've had it ages!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisha Beacon Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I got mine off a Asia website.. and its a region 0 it said.. basically it said it can work on any DVD player, so i got it... Because i knew the whole region thing it wouldnt work.. So im very happy i got this.. Out of interest, which Asian website did you get it from? I was hoping to get the Japanese version (with Darkshines) but I've only seen it for about $55 on cdjapan.co.jp, which is quite a lot. It was £8.99 on CD-WOW back last year but I didn't get it then (I don't think you can be sure of getting it with the extra track, but if it's from an Asian site I'd say there's a fair chance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy_kane Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 i gt it from cdwow as a japanese import region 0. it plays fine on my dvd player. it doesnt hav darkshines on it. also if ur fussy and like good collectors packaging and stuff, then u mite like to kno tht th jap import is just an ordinary plastic box, not a card fold out thingy. i didnt kno this wen i bought it at th time and was quite shocked. but then i did pay £9 for it so i cant really complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOD Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 "my opinion is... who cares?" I knew somebody would try to be clever and put that. I did state in the post that I'm not being pedantic, I was just wondering why these things in the DVD happen. If you don't care, go, instead of throwing your weight about. Sorry, but that bloody annoys me. Right, that's that done! Yeah, it's funny 'cause just after I posted that message, I told someone on my MSN list about it and they said it was filmed on two nights. I didn't see that on the back of the box. Hehe. That's interesting that... no wonder the DVD is so insanely amazing. God, think how much footage there would be to edit - Think it's about 14 cameras (including mini-cameras - 10 manned cameras), x90 minutes, x2 nights. 42 hours of footage. Thanks for the answer to the mysssstererryryry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBag Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Out of interest, which Asian website did you get it from? I was hoping to get the Japanese version (with Darkshines) but I've only seen it for about $55 on cdjapan.co.jp, which is quite a lot. It was £8.99 on CD-WOW back last year but I didn't get it then (I don't think you can be sure of getting it with the extra track, but if it's from an Asian site I'd say there's a fair chance). No darkshines... but i got the Cd to so i still can hear darkshines.. It was only 8 bucks! i was in shock! with S+H it was 12 such a great deal. and i dont remember the website.. I got it off a link from the boards.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatbigsquirrel Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 actually, i'd love to kow what drugs you were on to make it so you could sit there and peer at the TV and notice all these little things. lol i want some of it, whatever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
* Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Thanks for the answer to the mysssstererryryry What made you notice this anway or were you looking for odd things like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOD Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 The reason I was looking so carefully is because I've yet to play Space Dementia live, so I was writing down EXACTLY what Matt does on the piano, and conflictions arose, basically. Plus, I noticed that half of it was out of sync, in passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisha Beacon Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 i gt it from cdwow as a japanese import region 0. it plays fine on my dvd player. it doesnt hav darkshines on it. also if ur fussy and like good collectors packaging and stuff, then u mite like to kno tht th jap import is just an ordinary plastic box, not a card fold out thingy. i didnt kno this wen i bought it at th time and was quite shocked. but then i did pay £9 for it so i cant really complain. No darkshines... but i got the Cd to so i still can hear darkshines.. It was only 8 bucks! i was in shock! with S+H it was 12 such a great deal. and i dont remember the website.. I got it off a link from the boards.. Thanks for the info guys...looks like I might have to make do with getting the normal one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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