Niles Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 DB does NOT rock. Its bad. Its a cheat. It's just loud noise. I'm yet to hear a song that uses a double pedal well! I have: Breaking Benjamin. Example songs: Diary of Jane and the one on the Halo 2 soundtrack. I'm almost a convert. Here's what you could do: Get all toms as rack toms, get a double tom holder and a cymbal stand with an included tom holder. That way you could put the double tom holder in front of you and the cymbal stand to your right, or the cymbal stand in front of you and the double tom holder to your right, thus switching between 1/2 and 2/1. These are the thingies I mean: and All my toms are on racks, even stand appropriate sizes and I hate it. Having legs is so much more convenient and rigid, too. Picture it being played on double bass instead of toms and it will have exactly the same effect, sound and feel. So if that be the case what exactly is the inclination to use one over the other? If you need to use two limbs two bass drums will be undeniably smoother. Smoother may not be the effect you're after, it's not what I'm after. I want texture. BTW, the start of Cave doesn't count as double bass because it's piss to do it on a single even without any special technique. Dare I say it but imho I think the 1 up 2 down just makes a kit look that bit erm...cooler...as well. It can also give you a slightly better presence on stage as well if you play in a group, you don't get hidden behind your toms quite so much......which could be an important factor....to us vain ones I used to agree but now I think 2 up 1 down looks far cooler, I think it's a better config, too. For anyone who hasn't yet, I really suggest you try two toms right in front of you (not two over the bass, one over the bass and one to the left with an offset gap for the ride still). To be able to access two toms with very little upper arm movement was revolutionary for me. Plus I hate having to turn to reach stuff, laziness I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zilcho Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 All my toms are on racks, even stand appropriate sizes and I hate it. Having legs is so much more convenient and rigid, too. Hm, I guess it depends a bit on what hardware you're using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 Ah yeah, more than likely. My hardware is arse but I'm slowly replacing it with Tama Roadpro stuff (my job is recently making it difficult to find time). I guess the concept is tenable with decent hardware but I don't see why you would: having legs is always going to be more stable and easier to setup/teardown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zilcho Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 I guess the concept is tenable with decent hardware but I don't see why you would: having legs is always going to be more stable and easier to setup/teardown. You can put rack toms pretty much wherever you want to. But yeah, it doesn't seem as stable. One might argue that the shell of a floor tom doesn't vibrate the same way as that of a rack tom? (I have two floor toms btw and am very content with them) I think if you have a rack, rack toms would be as easy to setup as floor toms though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpdrummer Posted December 29, 2007 Share Posted December 29, 2007 I have: Breaking Benjamin. Example songs: Diary of Jane and the one on the Halo 2 soundtrack. I'm almost a convert. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted December 30, 2007 Share Posted December 30, 2007 You can put rack toms pretty much wherever you want to. But yeah, it doesn't seem as stable. One might argue that the shell of a floor tom doesn't vibrate the same way as that of a rack tom? (I have two floor toms btw and am very content with them) I think if you have a rack, rack toms would be as easy to setup as floor toms though. If you have a rack I think it'd be even easier, but I see rack owners as pretty full on people who probably know what they want anyway. I keep my rig small and so a rack is unnecessary (and unsightly, IMO). Anyway; it's new cymbal time and I'm set on this fairly eclectic mix: 14" Sabian AA Flat hats (natural finish) 18" Paiste Signature Full crash 19" Paiste 2oo2 crash 22" Paiste New Signature Dark Energy Mark II ride 16" Meinl Generation X Filter china I've tried the New Sig ride and I love it but I'm worried about the volume: it's almost $130 more expensive than the 2oo2 ride but alot quieter and lower pitched. I'm concerned about being stuck with a godly ride that no-one will be able to hear above the band. Agreed. Holy shitballs they're legends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ixty_6ix Posted December 31, 2007 Share Posted December 31, 2007 If you have a rack I think it'd be even easier, but I see rack owners as pretty full on people who probably know what they want anyway. I keep my rig small and so a rack is unnecessary (and unsightly, IMO). Anyway; it's new cymbal time and I'm set on this fairly eclectic mix: 14" Sabian AA Flat hats (natural finish) 18" Paiste Signature Full crash 19" Paiste 2oo2 crash 22" Paiste New Signature Dark Energy Mark II ride 16" Meinl Generation X Filter china I've tried the New Sig ride and I love it but I'm worried about the volume: it's almost $130 more expensive than the 2oo2 ride but alot quieter and lower pitched. I'm concerned about being stuck with a godly ride that no-one will be able to hear above the band. Holy shitballs they're legends. only 16 inches worth of china? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 I don't really like the "china" sound, that thing doesn't sound like a china, it sounds like a stack with sustain and VOLUME. It's fantastic. The only thing I ever use a china for is a big ending, like: Wanky rolls around kit then Crash-Crash then Crash-Crash then Crash-China (and roll on them continuously for a bit) and I can't justify a 20" or 22" cymbal purchase just for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAM Posted January 5, 2008 Author Share Posted January 5, 2008 I'm almost a convert. YOU! Dont leave me! haha As for confog - I'm saving up for an extra floor tom. So my 'dream' config will be 2 up 2 down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 YOU! Dont leave me! haha Hehehe, no I'm not. It's just prompted me to improve my right footing until I can do it. I'm just working my way though the Phobia album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpdrummer Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I changed my setup to look more like the drum sets of Dom and Adam Carson (AFI), and have since added better equipment. Tama Superstar SK Bass: 18 x 22" Snare: 7 1/2 x 13" Pork Pie Little Squealer Toms: 9 x 12", Floor Toms: 14 x 14", 16 x 16" Cymbals Sabian: 21" AA Raw Bell Dry Ride, 14" XS20 Hi-Hats, 18" AA Chinese, 6" Pro Splash. 10" Autograph Splash Zildjian: 18" A Medium Crash, 18" A Medium-Thin Crash Hardware Heads: Evans Coated G1, Aquarian Super 2s, Evans G2 Clear, Aquarian Superkick I, Aquarian Regulator w/ port hole Slingerland Hi-Hat Pedal Pearl Powershifter Eliminator Double Bass Pedal (Black and White cams) Tama Cymbal Stand (2x) Groove Percussion Boom Cymbal Stand PDP Boom Cymbal Stand Slingerland Straight Cymbal Stand Tama Fast Clamp Lug Locks Vater 5B Nude Drumsticks Videos can be viewed here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyke Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Thats a lot of Cymbals! And about double bass being good, I don't know if Neil Peart uses a DP in the actual songs but, have you seen pretty much everything after the 6 minute mark is my favourite part of the solo. Although I'm willing to admit that the only time I've heard a good Double bass is when listening to A Neil Peart Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpdrummer Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Thats a lot of Cymbals! And about double bass being good, I don't know if Neil Peart uses a DP in the actual songs but, have you seen pretty much everything after the 6 minute mark is my favourite part of the solo. Although I'm willing to admit that the only time I've heard a good Double bass is when listening to A Neil Peart Solo. Yes, I certainly like cymbals! I think I have just about enough though...maybe another decent sized splash. As for Neil using double bass, give this a watch : One Little Victory. Its one rockin' song! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.D.tribute Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hi!! This is my "Custom Mirage"! hand made by me! Bass Drum -> 22x20 Tom -> 12x8 Tymps -> 14x12 - 16x14 Gong Bass 20x14 Snare -> Ludwig Acrolite 14x5 it's too beautifulllllll!!! :$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAM Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 you MADE a drum kit!?!?! How!?! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lpdrummer Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hi!! This is my "Custom Mirage"! hand made by me! I take it you like Dom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAM Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 I take it you like Dom? NOWAI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.D.tribute Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 you MADE a drum kit!?!?! How!?! lol Yesssss!!! near to my city exist a factory that made acrilyc shell's! i've buy the shell's that intresting, have put on the lugs, drumhead's & hoops! the result it's spectacular! :happy:or not' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.D.tribute Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Sorry... but i've forgot the cymbals!! - K custom special dry hi hats (14") - A custom splash 8" - A custom splash 10" - K custom dark crash thin 18" - K dark crash medium thin 18" - Oriental China "trash" 18" - K custom high definition ride 22" - Rithm Tech "The Crasher" 14" - Drumstick: custom, made for me! Drumhead's - Tom & Tymps: Batter -> Remo Emperor - Tom & Tymps: Resonant -> Remo Ambassador - Bass Drum: Batter -> Powerstroke III - Bass Drum: Resonant -> Ambassador naturally all clear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAM Posted January 16, 2008 Author Share Posted January 16, 2008 - Drumstick: custom, made for me! Not promarks? Nice kit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.B.D.tribute Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Thanks!! Check it out the "photoalbum" of construction!! (Tom 12x9) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6ixty_6ix Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 very impressive, how much did the shells cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthijs Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 *wanders in* hey drummers.. I'd like a drumfile for the Grand Omega Boss version of Assasin. Could anybody provide that for me, including preclicks? Either real drummed or a VST midi version is appreciated. Pm for contact please Cheers edit: thx adam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAM Posted January 16, 2008 Author Share Posted January 16, 2008 no probs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niles Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Starcasts and pressed hoops... WHAT THE????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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