Tyger16 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 So I know all fuzz questions normally should go in the fuzz factory thread but I think this question is a little different and therefore doesnt quite fit that thread. Basically, I really like the oscillation effect Matt gets from the FF but from all the demos ive seen, its a really muddy sounding pedal. Theres no clarity. I imagine Matt must mix the sound with another amp distortion or what not to counter act this but not all of us have a huge rig like him. I do however, much prefer the Big Muff Pi pedal. It has great sustain, much better clarity and cleans up into a nice overdrive. That's my opinion anyway. That being said, I have no idea whether or not wild oscillations can be pulled from that pedal. I suspect it can't be, so I would like to know what the other options are. Basically, I want the Big Muff Pi tone with the FF oscillation madness. Thoughts? Thanks, (: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 you can't get a Muff to oscillate unless you mod it to fuck. and that would be WAY more hassle than it's worth. My suggestion is to have a Muff and a FF, and use either one as you need it. I've that, and tbh, i use the Muff WAAAAAAY more than the FF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboMansonMB-1 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The Muff is clearer than the FF? I want some of whatever it is that you're smoking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave. Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 If Big Muffs could Oscillate i would instantly have several orgasms at once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tPostThePear Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 The Muff is clearer than the FF? I want some of whatever it is that you're smoking +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 A big muff will oscillate if you put some feedback through it. Its surely about the easiest mod to do?? I wouldn't describe it as "modding to fuck". I could be wrong though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 It can be done without modding. Just needs lots of gain and a filter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr496VrUVUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave. Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 It can be done without modding. Just needs lots of gain and a filter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr496VrUVUM and another over drive pedal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 you can make just about anything "oscillate" when you put buckets of gain into it, but by itself, like the way the FF does, not without mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboMansonMB-1 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Get an AnalogMan Sunface. So clear you can barely tell it's "fuzzing" and oscillation for days. Plus, it sounds just like the Big Duff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Internal FF for oscillation and Big Muff floor pedal for fuzz tones? Win-win, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam511 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Internal FF for oscillation and Big Muff floor pedal for fuzz tones? Win-win, surely? Would cost more money to get that set up than I (personally) could justify through use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyger16 Posted August 9, 2011 Author Share Posted August 9, 2011 thanks for the replies! I listened to the Analogman Sunface and it is a little too dull i think personally:/ That was possibly just the video quality but However for the video posted, was the expression pedal the guy was using a wah pedal? Also, if getting feedback is the issue, could you not use one of those little Behringer Ultra Feedback things? Those things that allow you to force your guitar into feedback even at low volumes. Or if you have a fernandes sustainer, you could use the feedback sustain switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 you can make just about anything "oscillate" when you put buckets of gain into it, but by itself, like the way the FF does, not without mods. Errrrm, a big muff in a feedback loop will oscillate though, surely? I mean i've not tried a big muff specifically but every other dirt pedal I have does. You just need two bits of wire and a pot to do this mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyger16 Posted August 9, 2011 Author Share Posted August 9, 2011 Errrrm, a big muff in a feedback loop will oscillate though, surely? I mean i've not tried a big muff specifically but every other dirt pedal I have does. You just need two bits of wire and a pot to do this mod. Could you explain how this mod would be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 basically you're putting a bit of the output of the pedal back into the input, so you take a wire from the output jack (not sure which connector you'd have to play) and solder this onto the input jack (same connector I guess). This gives you a 100% feedback loop. Put a pot in the middle of this wire if you want to vary the amount of feedback. I'd open it up and just test with a wire that you can get some oscillation going - you're not going to blow anything up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tPostThePear Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 you're not going to blow anything up. famous last words i have a fdb looper wired like that but the pot works kinda erratic, i think it should be wired as a voltage divider but i don't have place in the enclosure to try it out, it is a 1590A edit: tried a muff in the loop, it is pretty interactive, all knobs, diode switch, feedback pot, pots on the guitar, pickup switcher have an effect on the oscillation you can almost control the oscillation pitch with the guitar's volume knob but it is kinda random, it jumps 2-3 times during the pot's rotation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 what do I win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyger16 Posted August 9, 2011 Author Share Posted August 9, 2011 basically you're putting a bit of the output of the pedal back into the input, so you take a wire from the output jack (not sure which connector you'd have to play) and solder this onto the input jack (same connector I guess). This gives you a 100% feedback loop. Put a pot in the middle of this wire if you want to vary the amount of feedback. I'd open it up and just test with a wire that you can get some oscillation going - you're not going to blow anything up. So because you need that pot, using the behringer pedal I mentioned wouldnt work? What about putting a ringmodulator either before or after the Big Muff? Could you in some way emulate the oscillating type madness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave. Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Theres a pedal called the disaster fuzz that has a switch that can turn on/off oscillation. Maybe you could try something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don'tPostThePear Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 So because you need that pot, using the behringer pedal I mentioned wouldnt work? What about putting a ringmodulator either before or after the Big Muff? Could you in some way emulate the oscillating type madness? So because you need that pot, using the behringer pedal I mentioned wouldnt work? That pedal probably does the same thing chedda said internally What about putting a ringmodulator either before or after the Big Muff? it wont oscillate by itself Could you in some way emulate the oscillating type madness? you don't want to but if you do, a pot and 2 wires are the cheapest solution (like 3$) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy. Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'll oscillate your Big Muff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil. Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 dont mod a feedback loop into a muff. get the chk chk boom from ohnoho instead. http://www.ohnoho.com More uses for that as a stand alone. if you want something silly, get something like the sodameiser with the extra foot switch from devi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'll oscillate your Big Muff Oh, you dirty rascal, you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboMansonMB-1 Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Devi's stuff is highly recommended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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