Hat Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I was going to say the same thing. Matt sings' date=' plays guitar, plays piano, [b']writes all the songs[/b]. Chris plays bass. Who's more talented? It's not just about opinion, it's fact Unless you think that his bass playing beats Matt's piano-playing, guitar-playing, singing and song-writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyraSilvertongue Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Unless you think that his bass playing beats Matt's piano-playing, guitar-playing, singing and song-writing In which case, you would be a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 I never said that you called any of them more talented than Matt Okay, my opinion is, that if you say that Dom or Chris is more talented than Matt, you don't know anything about music. Better? What do you even base such an opinion on? Neither Dom or Chris has written any songs. They have written some catchy and good parts for their instruments, and Chris can sing backing vocals. Matt is considered one of the best guitarists today, and even if you don't agree(I don't), he has still written all of Muses songs(eventually with input from Dom and Chris, yes), and all the riffs, and some of the bass riffs, are his, and many of them very original. He's also a very good pianist and a really good vocalist. I largely agree. Let's just say the other two are talented in a different way. Chris can sing, play guiatr, bass and drums. That's more than being multi-skilled, it's talent. And I'm sure he's written a lot of the Muse bass lines to songs. Dom's a very creative drummer and works drum patterns and beats into songs that Matt's written perfectly. Again, talent. Matt, however, is the all-rounder cos he can do all the things you mentioned - sing, play piano and guitar brilliantly and create original and inspiring riffs/songs, plus he's got the creative integrity to write lots of songs and even scores for symphonic pieces (The International/Exogenesis). So, to me, he's the best of a very good bunch. /end ongoing rant I'm gonna update mine, cos some stuff has changed. Best Song: Hyper Chondriac Music Best Song played live: Bliss Best Live Performance: Stockholm Syndrome @ Glastonbury 2004 Best Live Show: Montreux Jazz Festival 2002 Best Studio Album: Origin of Symmetry Best Single: Bliss Best DVD: Hullabaloo Best B-side: HCM <3333 Best Cover: House Of The Rising Sun Best Jam/Riff: Osaka Jam Best Collectible Release: Showbiz and spanner/OoS and screwdriver Best Video: Bliss Best Lyric: Soulless is everywhere OR Like a broken dam you're empty Best Song Name: Exogenesis Best Album Name: Origin of Symmetry Best Album Opener: Take A Bow Best Album Closer: Exogenesis Symphony. Although Megalomania is amazingly close behind. Best Live Opener: Take A Bow Best Live Closer: Bliss (extended + balloooons!) OR SS+major outro riffages! Best Setlist: Probably Montreux Jazz Fest again Best Riff: New Born Best Drumming: Stockholm Best Bass-line: Hysteria Best Drum Kit: Clear Tama (I miss it ) Best Guitar: Bomber Manson Best Bass: Fender Jazz Blue Funniest Moment: Uprising on Italian show performance/Hey You Crazy Kids @ One Big Sunday! Best Tour: Absolution Best Intimate Gig: RAH 2008 Best Piano Song: Ruled By Secrecy/Space Dementia/Hoodoo... too many amazing ones! Best Album Artwork: Abso (although I LOVE Origin, too!) Best Single Artwork: B&H Best Bellamy (Matt's hair/clothes era): RED MATTEH! But BH&R Matt was better dressed/looking. Best Looking Member: Teh Wolstenholmer! Best Dressed Member: Dom . He got me into colourful trousers and Spidey suits . Most Talented Member: Matt. See above ramble for reasons [/COLOUR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 In which case' date=' you would be a fool.[/quote'] Well Chris made the Hysteria ba....oh no, he didn't, Matt did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I largely agree. Let's just say the other two are talented in a different way. Chris can sing, play guiatr, bass and drums. That's more than being multi-skilled, it's talent. And I'm sure he's written a lot of the Muse bass lines to songs. Dom's a very creative drummer and works drum patterns and beats into songs that Matt's written perfectly. Again, talent. Matt, however, is the all-rounder cos he can do all the things you mentioned - sing, play piano and guitar brilliantly and create original and inspiring riffs/songs, plus he's got the creative integrity to write lots of songs and even scores for symphonic pieces (The International/Exogenesis). So, to me, he's the best of a very good bunch. /end ongoing rant TBH, playing guitar, bass and drums isn't really a proof of talent. Anyone can play guitar, creating music on the instrument and actually being a good guitarist takes talent. I'm not saying Chris can't write songs, I'm saying that he hasn't shown it. Any instrument can be played without talent. Creating interesting and good music with them is a whole different thing. Chris is a good bassist, but that's it, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devonscreen Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Best song: Stockholm Syndrome Best song played live: Stockholm Syndrome Best live performance: Wembley Stadium 2007 Best live show/ gig: Glastonbury 2004 Best studio album: Absolution Best single: Plug In Baby Best dvd: H.A.A.R.P Best b-side: Dead Star Best cover: Feeling Good Best jam/ riff (e.g. Osaka/ Maggies' Farm etc.): Osaka Jam Best collectible release (e.g. OoS promo with screwdriver/ Muse EP etc.): dunno Best video: Starlight Best lyric: "Believes we could be glorious"-Glorious Best song/album name: Black Holes and Revelations Best opener: Hysteria Best closer: Knights of Cydonia Best setlist (name the gig): Glastonbury 2004!!!! Best riff: Stockholm Syndrome Best drumming on a song: Stockholm Syndrome Best bass-line: Hysteria Best drum kit: Tama Clear Transparent Best guitar (instrument): M1D1 Manson Best bass (instrument): dunno Funniest moment: Matt slipped over at Live 8 (during Bliss) :LOL: Best tour: South American 2008 Best 'intimate' gig (smaller venue): Royal Albert Hall 2008 Best piano song: Redemption Best album artwork: Absolution Best single artwork: Invincible Best Bellamy (Matt's hair/ clothes era): Black Holes and Revelations Best-looking member: Dominic Howard (sorry matt ) Best dressed member: Dominic Howard Most talented member: Matthew Bellamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Btw hyper_chondriac_muser, I'm guessing you're gonna count all this later. Are you going to count votes for Dead Star and In Your World as best B-Sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 TBH, playing guitar, bass and drums isn't really a proof of talent. Anyone can play guitar, creating music on the instrument and actually being a good guitarist takes talent. I'm not saying Chris can't write songs, I'm saying that he hasn't shown it. Any instrument can be played without talent. Creating interesting and good music with them is a whole different thing. Chris is a good bassist, but that's it, sorry. True enough, but I think Chris has proven that he's good at playing the instruments mentioned. Yes, I agree that he hasn't shown any song-writing skills, cos that's always been Matt's field, and I don't see it changing any time soon. Again, that's why Matt seems most talented, cos he's had the opportunity to showcase more talent than the other two. Btw hyper_chondriac_muser, I'm guessing you're gonna count all this later. Are you going to count votes for Dead Star and In Your World as best B-Sides? Lol, I was considering counting 'em all if there's not a ridiculous amount of votes (and if I can be bothered). And, no, DS/IYW don't count as b-sides... They were double A-sides on a single, so it doesn't count to me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshyBarth Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Best song: Full Exogenesis: Symphony Best song played live: Citizen Erased Best live performance: Citizen Erased @ Manchester LCCC 2010 Best live show/ gig: Manchester LCCC 2010 Best studio album: Black Holes and Revelations Best single: Stockholm Syndrome Best dvd: HAARP Best b-side: Glorious Best cover: Where the Streets Have No Name Feat. The Edge Best jam/ riff (e.g. Osaka/ Maggies' Farm etc.): MK Jam Best collectible release (e.g. OoS promo with screwdriver/ Muse EP etc.): Muscle Museum EP Best video: MK Ultra (MTV Exit) Best lyric: "Controlling my feelings for too long" - Showbiz Best song/album name: Knights of Cydonia Best opener: Uprising Best closer: Knights of Cydonia Best setlist (name the gig): Wembley Stadium 11/09/2010 Best riff: MK Ultra Main Riff Best drumming on a song: Assassin (Grand Omega Bosses Edit) Best bass-line: United States of Eurasia (+ Collateral Damage) Best drum kit: The Resistance Era Drums Best guitar (instrument):Mirror Manson Best bass (instrument): Status Stealth Funniest moment: Sit the Fuck Down - Slipknot Mask Best tour: The Resistance Stadium Tour Best 'intimate' gig (smaller venue): Royal Albert Hall Best piano song: Ruled by Secrecy Best album artwork: The Resistance Best single artwork: Cave Best Bellamy (Matt's hair/ clothes era): Red Suit (Wembley 2007) Best-looking member: Dominic Howard Best dressed member: Christopher Wolstenholme Most talented member: Matt Bellamy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 True enough, but I think Chris has proven that he's good at playing the instruments mentioned. Yes, I agree that he hasn't shown any song-writing skills, cos that's always been Matt's field, and I don't see it changing any time soon. Again, that's why Matt seems most talented, cos he's had the opportunity to showcase more talent than the other two. Yeah, I'm not saying that Chris doesn't have talent, just that he hasn't really shown any real talents making him worthy of "most talented member of Muse". But tbh, I doubt that he is. Â And really, Chris is a good bass player, but guitar? And drums especially. When has he proven any real talent in that? Â Lol, I was considering counting 'em all if there's not a ridiculous amount of votes (and if I can be bothered). And, no, DS/IYW don't count as b-sides... They were double A-sides on a single, so it doesn't count to me . It would be cool if Dead Star won both best single and best b-side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horcrux Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Best song: Butterflies and Hurricanes Best song played live: Bliss Best live performance: Stockholm Syndrome @ Earl's Court 2004 Best live show/ gig: Wembley Stadium 11th Sept. '10/Earl's Court '04 Best studio album: Absolution Best single: Bliss Best dvd: Hullabaloo Best b-side: Eternally Missed/Glorious Best cover: House of the Rising Sun Best jam/ riff (e.g. Osaka/ Maggies' Farm etc.): Osaka Jam Best collectible release (e.g. OoS promo with screwdriver/ Muse EP etc.): Muse EP Best video: Knights of Cydonia/Bliss Best lyric: Hoodoo Best song/album name: Exogenesis: Symphony Best opener: Take a Bow Best closer: Knights of Cydonia Best setlist (name the gig): Pinkpop '04/Wembley 11th Sept. '10 Best riff: Plug in Baby Best drumming on a song: Assassin Best bass-line: Hysteria Best drum kit: Clear kit Best guitar (instrument): Glitterati Best bass (instrument): Headless Bass Funniest moment: "SIT THE FUCK DOWN!" or the switch over on the italian TV show Best tour: Absolution Best 'intimate' gig (smaller venue): Royal Albert Hall Best piano song: Ruled by Secrecy or Space Dementia Best album artwork: The Resistance Best single artwork: Map of the Problematique Best Bellamy (Matt's hair/ clothes era): Red haired Matt, and 2006-present Best-looking member: Matt Best dressed member: Dom Most talented member: Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livs Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Best song: Invincible/Time is Running Out Best song played live: Time is Running Out Best live performance: Bliss Rock AM Ring 2010 Best live show/ gig: Royal Albert Hall Best studio album: Black Holes and Revelations Best single: Uprising Best dvd: HAARP Best b-side: Map of Your Head Best cover: Cant take my eyes off you Best jam/ riff (e.g. Osaka/ Maggies' Farm etc.): Maggie's Farm Best collectible release (e.g. OoS promo with screwdriver/ Muse EP etc.): Showbiz and Spanner Best video: Starlight Best lyric: You're still nothing to me,, And this is nothing to me And you don't know what you've done, But I'll give you a clue- Uno Best song/album name: Undisclosed Desires Best opener: Knights of Cydonia Best closer: Stockholm Syndrome Best setlist (name the gig): Glastonbury 2010 Best riff: Plug in Baby Best drumming on a song: Stockholm Syndrome Best bass-line: Hysteria Best drum kit: Clear stadium Tama kit Best guitar (instrument): Manson Glitterati Best bass (instrument): Fender Jazz (the red/orange and black one) Funniest moment: Matt shouting 'WANKER' in Dom's ear then Dom chasing him with his drumsticks and pushing them up Matt's ass Best tour: The Resistance 2010 Best 'intimate' gig (smaller venue): Teenage Cancer Trust (Royal Albert Hall) Best piano song: United States of Eurasia Best album artwork: Absolution Best single artwork: Butterflies and Hurricanes Best Bellamy (Matt's hair/ clothes era): Black Holes and Revelations era Best-looking member: Matt Best dressed member: Dom Most talented member: Matt-Chris-Dom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWillett97 Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Best song: Hysteria Best song played live: Citizen Erased Best live performance: haarp Best live show/ gig: haarp Best studio album: Absolution Best single:Hysteria Best dvd:HAARP Best b-side:Futurism/Fury Best cover:Feeling Good Best jam/ riff (e.g. Osaka/ Maggies' Farm etc.): Osaka Jam Best collectible release (e.g. OoS promo with screwdriver/ Muse EP etc.): Random 1-8 Best video: KoC Best lyric: -x Best song/album name: -x Best opener: New Born Best closer:KoC Best setlist (name the gig): -x Best riff:Hysteria Best drumming on a song: Best bass-line: Hysteria/Futurism Best drum kit: Transparent Best guitar (instrument): Glitterati Best bass (instrument): Headless Bass Funniest moment: Slipknot Mask Best tour: BHAR Tour Best 'intimate' gig (smaller venue): -x Best piano song: Sunburn Best album artwork: TR Best single artwork: PiB Cd 1/2 Best Bellamy (Matt's hair/ clothes era): Red Hair Best-looking member: Best dressed member: Matt Most talented member: Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megan. Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Best song: TiRO at the moment Best song played live: Citizen Erased Best live performance: No idea Best live show/ gig: Dunno, never been to one Best studio album: Absolution Best single: TiRO Best dvd: HAARP, only one i've got Best b-side: Fury at the moment Best cover: House of The Rising Sun Best jam/ riff (e.g. Osaka/ Maggies' Farm etc.): Erm... Best collectible release (e.g. OoS promo with screwdriver/ Muse EP etc.): No idea Best video: Can't think of one Best lyric: Second verse of MoTP, Visions of greed you wallow from Showbiz Best song/album name: City of Delusion/Origin of Symmetry Best opener: Uprising Best closer: Knights of Cydonia Best setlist (name the gig): Dunno... Best riff: New Born Best drumming on a song: Resistance Best bass-line: Hysteria Best drum kit: See through Best guitar (instrument): Glitterati, Silver Manson Best bass (instrument): Dunno Funniest moment: Too many to list Best tour: Absolution? Best 'intimate' gig (smaller venue): Don't know Best piano song: Ruled By Secrecy Best album artwork: The Resistance Best single artwork: MoTP Best Bellamy (Matt's hair/ clothes era): Blue hair! Best-looking member: Dom Best dressed member: Chris Most talented member: Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 Yeah, I'm not saying that Chris doesn't have talent, just that he hasn't really shown any real talents making him worthy of "most talented member of Muse". But tbh, I doubt that he is. And really, Chris is a good bass player, but guitar? And drums especially. When has he proven any real talent in that?   It would be cool if Dead Star won both best single and best b-side  He's shown he can play guitar in live footage - some early performances he's played guitar and a few acoustic performances he switches to guitar. He played drums with Hey Molly not so long ago, and there was video footage of it (can't remember where) - proving he's good at both. It doesn't mean he's some amazing-whizz guitarist/drummer, too, but he's more than competent in both. But yeah, neither makes him more talented than Matt. The main reason Bellamy has the edge is cos of songwriting, guitar wizardry and piano skillz... he outperforms both because of that.  I'll make sure Dead Star doesn't win the b-side award! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 He's shown he can play guitar in live footage - some early performances he's played guitar and a few acoustic performances he switches to guitar. He played drums with Hey Molly not so long ago, and there was video footage of it (can't remember where) - proving he's good at both. It doesn't mean he's some amazing-whizz guitarist/drummer, too, but he's more than competent in both. But yeah, neither makes him more talented than Matt. The main reason Bellamy has the edge is cos of songwriting, guitar wizardry and piano skillz... he outperforms both because of that. I'll make sure Dead Star doesn't win the b-side award! Like I said, I know that he can play both instruments, the question was, where does he show any TALENT in it? He is a mediocre guitar and drum player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 Like I said, I know that he can play both instruments, the question was, where does he show any TALENT in it? He is a mediocre guitar and drum player. Â Which is why I went on to say that Bellamy is the talent king as he outperforms due to his sheer skill on piano And guitar... AND songwriting. If he was just an amazing guitarist we wouldn't be having this conversation because they'd all be equally-matched in that they all excel at one instrument. But Bellamy's skills are threefold (or more) lol. I promised myself I wouldn't get sucked into a debate about this, but it just keeps going . I'm officially stopping. Â I'll collate results when a few more posts have come in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OriginOfGeorgia Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Best song: Stockholm Syndrome Best song played live: Bliss Best live performance: Glastonbury 2004 Best live show/ gig: 11th Wembley 2010 Best studio album: Absolution Best single: Stockholm Syndrome Best dvd: Hullabaloo Best b-side: Dead Star Best cover: Cant take my eyes off you Best jam/ riff (e.g. Osaka/ Maggies' Farm etc.): Helsinki Jam Best collectible release (e.g. OoS promo with screwdriver/ Muse EP etc.): Muscle Museum EP Best video: Knights Of Cydonia Best lyric: You make me sick, because I adore you so Best song/album name: Origin Of Symmetry Best opener: Knights of Cydonia Best closer: Space Dementia Best setlist (name the gig): 11th Wemberz 2010 Best riff: Plug In Baby Best drumming on a song: Assassin Best bass-line: Hysteria Best drum kit: Gold one Best guitar (instrument): Gliterati Best bass (instrument): Fender Funniest moment: Sit The Fuck Down/Wanker Best tour: Absolution Best 'intimate' gig (smaller venue): Royal Albert Hall, if you class that as intimate Best piano song: Ruled By Secrecy Best album artwork: Absolution Best single artwork: Unintended Best Bellamy (Matt's hair/ clothes era): V Festival 2008 Best-looking member: Matt Best dressed member: Dom Most talented member: Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Which is why I went on to say that Bellamy is the talent king as he outperforms due to his sheer skill on piano And guitar... AND songwriting. If he was just an amazing guitarist we wouldn't be having this conversation because they'd all be equally-matched in that they all excel at one instrument. But Bellamy's skills are threefold (or more) lol. I promised myself I wouldn't get sucked into a debate about this, but it just keeps going . I'm officially stopping. Â I'll collate results when a few more posts have come in Don't forget vocals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 Don't forget vocals  Yeah you're right. Can't believe I missed that actually... his voice is amazing sometimes (insanely high notes in Showbiz and Micro Cuts), plus he's just a great vocalist in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyraSilvertongue Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 Yeah you're right. Can't believe I missed that actually... his voice is amazing sometimes (insanely high notes in Showbiz and Micro Cuts), plus he's just a great vocalist in general. Â I was just going to point out that you'd missed out his vocal skillz. I think that's one of his main talents actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 I was just going to point out that you'd missed out his vocal skillz. I think that's one of his main talents actually. Â I know! Maybe cos it's such a given and obvious talent he has that I just left it out completely, lol. His voice definitely got infinitely better over the years... in the early years it was almost whiny at times (), but it developed so drastically... now he sings any song with effortless brilliance on stage. Â On a separate (on-topic) note - have you done this awards thing yet? I'm just curious (or some would say nosey ) to know what people would put as their 'bests' . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I know! Maybe cos it's such a given and obvious talent he has that I just left it out completely, lol. His voice definitely got infinitely better over the years... in the early years it was almost whiny at times (), but it developed so drastically... now he sings any song with effortless brilliance on stage. On a separate (on-topic) note - have you done this awards thing yet? I'm just curious (or some would say nosey ) to know what people would put as their 'bests' . Well, that's part of the talent, In his early years he didn't do proper voice exercises and working on his technique, which makes it more of a talent than just something he has learnt(Like learning to play an instrument).  I used to slag off his new voice because he has lost much of the falsetto,but now I think that BH&R has his best vocal work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyper_chondriac_muser Posted October 1, 2010 Author Share Posted October 1, 2010 Well, that's part of the talent, In his early years he didn't do proper voice exercises and working on his technique, which makes it more of a talent than just something he has learnt(Like learning to play an instrument). I used to slag off his new voice because he has lost much of the falsetto,but now I think that BH&R has his best vocal work.  Falsetto's one of his biggest (and most obvious) vocal talents. To carry notes of that pitch/level is mad... especially when he translates it to a live show. Some of the Bliss falsettos he's done over the years are insane! One of my favourite live falsettos generally has to be Showbiz from Hullabaloo... I was left after I heard it.  I still think he's able to sustain a really impressive note to this day (Take A Bow's brilliant ending, Overture, the backing/layered vocals to Uprising etc.) even live, but it's not as strong as before, naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyraSilvertongue Posted October 1, 2010 Share Posted October 1, 2010 I know! Maybe cos it's such a given and obvious talent he has that I just left it out completely, lol. His voice definitely got infinitely better over the years... in the early years it was almost whiny at times (), but it developed so drastically... now he sings any song with effortless brilliance on stage. On a separate (on-topic) note - have you done this awards thing yet? I'm just curious (or some would say nosey ) to know what people would put as their 'bests' . I think his voice was stunning on Showbiz and has only got better over time. Seriously, I've never heard a singer whose voice I enjoy listening to more than Matt's. I'm out at the moment but I'll work on my awards nominations when I get home (probably after too many glasses of wine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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