FabriPav Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Because Muse are perfect and no way they'd do something bad to a song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Why do we assume it was Costey who changed Assassin? I've always just assumed it's him because I don't think it's in character for anyone else to cut down on a song's length like that. They could have easily fit that extra two or three minutes on the disk so it wasn't a matter of capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander DeLarge Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 He was there when it happened. So at least he's an accessory to the crime. I like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I've always just assumed it's him because I don't think it's in character for anyone else to cut down on a song's length like that. They could have easily fit that extra two or three minutes on the disk so it wasn't a matter of capacity. They've literally talked about how they cut down a lot of song lengths on BH&R when they changed studios and got other influences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I guess for me, the Assassin/ExoPolitics examples would be a case where having a producer wouldn't necessarily be a good thing, if that's the case. There would have been really no equivalent changes that would have made, say, many of the songs on T2L more cohesive. I'm sure that they've written more songs than we'll ever see or hear. I'm sure he's going to have a major say in what goes on the album and he'll suggest minor revisions. This wasn't true for the last two albums, at all, though, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I've always just assumed it's him because I don't think it's in character for anyone else to cut down on a song's length like that. And why is it in character for Costey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 This is why I hate producer talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 This wasn't true for the last two albums, at all, though, was it? I think with the last two albums they have gone to Matt's recorded demos a lot (like Madness) and picked the 10-12 songs they wanted to develop, and that's what ended up on the albums. EDIT: Well actually I didn't mean that that was how they did it with EVERY song, but you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 And who gets the blame for the unholy mastering job on, say, Abso and BH&R, which, reverse respectively, sounded like a wall of noise and a recording done through a thick, furry sock? While we're at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I will never understand how Assassin or Exo-Politics were "ruined" on BHAR. They sounded like really half-arsed B-sides in their early form. I prefer both songs in their final form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 And who gets the blame for the unholy mastering job on, say, Abso and BH&R, which, reverse respectively, sounded like a wall of noise and a recording done through a thick, furry sock? While we're at it. The people who did the mastering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 And who gets the blame for the unholy mastering job on, say, Abso and BH&R, which, reverse respectively, sounded like a wall of noise and a recording done through a thick, furry sock? While we're at it. The people who did the mastering. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm usually inclined to think that you sort of imprint on the first version you hear, and any changes to the final song "ruin" it for you... but in the case of both those songs, I heard the early versions after the studio ones, and still vastly prefer the early ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeirdF Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 And why is it in character for Costey? Looking through his discography it's very rare to find a song above 5 minutes and there's not a whole lot above 4 minutes. Then compare that to John Leckie who has quite a few long songs under his belt and Mutt Lange who has even more proportionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Looking through his discography it's very rare to find a song above 5 minutes and there's not a whole lot above 4 minutes. Then compare that to John Leckie who has quite a few long songs under his belt and Mutt Lange who has even more proportionally. You know this proves nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Can we go back to talking about Linkin Park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 As long as we don't go back to teeth or hair, I could give a shit either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 As long as we don't go back to teeth or hair, I could give a shit either way.Or we could discuss the language issue of could vs couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kueller Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Let's discuss how much better Sippe was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altbecky Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Really don't know what to make of this development but can't help but be reminded of the interview last... Spring I think? That Matt did with a car magazine where he mentioned he'd been listening to a lot of classic rock lately. Boom. Mutt Lange produces. Hopefully it leads to cohesiveness for the album, and not crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Or we could discuss the language issue of could vs couldn't. I'm usually just happy most of what I type is actual words, having to deal with my cell phone as I am. Keyboard is so small I can't even hit letters accurately with a stylus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm usually just happy most of what I type is actual words, having to deal with my cell phone as I am. Keyboard is so small I can't even hit letters accurately with a stylus. Let's talk about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentsatellite Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 It's still more exciting than grammar and semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingerbell Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Production really means nothing and is massively over exaggerated in terms of importance. You can have a great song with poor production or or , all (sort of) by the same band, and regarded are some of the greatest songs of all-time, regardless of the quality of production. Muse have always had a very high production level in their music, except for maybe a few very early b-sides. Their raw sound (if it even comes out) will still have a very high production level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Production really means nothing and is massively over exaggerated in terms of importance. You can have a great song with poor production or or , all (sort of) by the same band, and regarded are some of the greatest songs of all-time, regardless of the quality of production. Muse have always had a very high production level in their music, except for maybe a few very early b-sides. Their raw sound (if it even comes out) will still have a very high production level. Complete nonsense. You're referring to one (well one and a half) genre of music, one which is known for tacky production, and makes use of it as part of its appeal. It totally depends on the type of music, and what you want your music to be. And you just said it yourself, "if it even comes out". That's a matter of production, in case you didn't realise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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