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Are you in France? It often is here too. I'm just questioning how good that actually is.
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UK possible, Spain possible, France - dunno but it was in Germany, and since that shares a border with France... There's no point in touring only parts of Europe in the winter though. I think touring worldwide during slightly warmer times is still the best idea. No need for garderobes.
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You can't know what the winter is going to be like on either side of the planet sufficiently far beforehand to decide that though, y'know. It's not like trains manage with winter very well either. It's chance (and probably related to climate change) that larger parts of Europe are so far "enjoying" a lame excuse of a winter. AGAIN. But it's by no means a regularity. It's not so far back that we had -20°C over a while in the middle of Europe. Maybe it would be a better idea to just not tour at all in winter. Maybe do something like southern hemisphere in their summer/spring and northern in theirs. Win for all.
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Well bloody hell, it is an amazing picture. The boat looks a little like a helmet first and those stars are so pretty ! The other picture is great too, but the first has some seriously good picture composition going on.
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Claudia means this thread: http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=87620 This is the thread for the individual gig: http://board.muse.mu/showthread.php?t=100716 You missed the forum by one - you need to look in "gigs" instead of "tours" to find threads for individual gigs. German is only permitted in the German thread linked above (and Austrian and Swiss ) within the international section. You can use the Search function to find individual threads if you do not know where to find them - English keywords obviously. I suppose a mod will close this soon
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I'm glad! I don't really know more to say than what I posted before. It's certainly nicely made except for the fisheye, but I just don't have the headspace right now to dive any deeper into it.
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The newsletter thing did nothing for me either, but I could see it on .mu. Maybe it's the same for you?
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Exactly Had any registration or installation been necessary, I would have skipped watching the video! I agree. It's awful. Muse have their own website. No need for companies like apple/itunes and whatever other stuff to be involved at all! The video is ok, I don't like the fisheye perspective that much. And I read about the kick here before seeing it and was so incredibly disappointed... there's more impact in a tipp-kick figure than in that little nudge
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It's not on their list afaik... I hate this shit (names copied from European cities), always have done Where were creativity and ingenuity when these names were given?! /off topic
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It's time for a joke to brighten this up... It's not like Muse would confuse your country with Sweden (Hey, I tried :D:LOL:)
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All I can say to that is that I think you see things from your perspective, and it's so different to mine that I cannot agree with anything you've written down there except for the fact they need to play more songs than they are doing now I agree with the length of MWAH, I like the combination regardless of whether one wants to define it as an intro or a song combination, I don't mind if it stays the same because I like it, and I like it as a closer. May be biased as mentioned by Survival being an unexpected one at the Loreley and weird because of the gig length; but as long as the ending is a good one and rounds off the set nicely, I'm happy (with that, obviously I want a good set and performance before that). tl;dr I don't share your issues :LOL:
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Nah, it's miles from that argument. You're interpolating my idea wayyyyy too far there . MWAH into Knights is one intro into one song. For me, that has no relevance to what else is played within the set. It's a bit like the guitar scribbling before some songs where you know what's coming next, just a little longer and with a harmonica instead. As long as there's a short break before that scribbling, there's basically no limit as to which songs can follow each other, leaving aside set flow and stuff (which is important but not for this argument). I don't request them to change their songs all the time (changing whole verses and stuff) so why would they need to change MWAH? I kind of understand that you're bored with it, but I don't share the sentiment nor your logic, or what you're making of what you wrongly thought was mine. A bit like that one video where they start off a bit with the intro to survival and then play starlight...that is awful imo Starlight is ok but not when you're expecting the full blast of survival that's transition gone wrong! No matter which song came before or after... I want long sets and good songs and good mixes and varieties of songs and sets, but I really like MWAH&Knights as last song. We got finished with Survival at the Loreley, and it was SO frustrating at the time since we were dying for the encore right there, and also with the for the stadium tour unfairly, though ultimately not their fault , short set... finishing at 21 songs which feels pretty good seeing what's on the tour right now. But then, it felt mean.
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I like it. MWAH into Knights imo is just a good intro to a great song, and for me it can remain like that for the rest of the century. I don't know why you compare it with a joke, which, I agree, becomes boring when you've heard it more than twice. Maybe they can come up with something even better, but at this point I doubt it since MWAH really fits so well. Basically, it's a kind of tease and enables catching a breath for the fans (and Matt ) whilst being elated about what's to come. For those that like it, obviously. Not saying everyone should, but I do.
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I suppose I should be glad that risk applies only to men, but only if it means we women always get the songs we want? Don't want to be unfair either... tl;dr attendants can be of any sex! :LOL: (not to slight or attack you, I just wanted to point out your use of the word 'he' excludes women, and you might not have noticed that when posting) I would love to see B&H, Sunburn, New Born, Map again... seeing Can't take my eyes off you would be amazing too, I've always loved that one. Shouldn't get my hopes up Tickets prices seem to have been really good over the pond, at least you've got that going for you!
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Now, where are the HOORAY and other celebratory exclamations from the other side of the Atlantic? I'm listening :LOL: As far as I know, Brooklyn is a part of New York... so what is your comment supposed to say? Why should one city get gigs in different suburbs? (regardless of size! Mexico City has more people than New York for example and gets gigs in one place) Or do you mean something entirely different? I agree. For a band this size, it's just weird except for "secret" gigs. I do think they've had a lot of problems with something around this, there is no way I can imagine anyone involved deciding to do this deliberately. Anyway, I'm glad you have a larger list of gigs now.
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First of all, I think it's great that you're collecting questions! My suggestion: Looking at the recent setlists, I'd like to know why they are so short? Whatever the reason, if there is any way to do so, sets should be 20+ songs and jams extra imo, with the prices charged and the size, age and discography of the band. I think the band need to hear this until it sinks in, and change things asap.
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Now for the one with the good quoting game Do you have blowing snow a lot? I think it's the worst and maybe only drawback of 'dry' snow since it happens more with that afaik. Otherwise I prefer that snow over wet sleety stuff obviously! Certainly seen a lot of blowing snow, too! Poor sods driving the snow ploughs, having to do the same roads again and again and again and again So basically, at least where you are, there is a system, but it doesn't have enough capacities to deal effectively, and there are too few centres distributed so some areas fall back. That drive I mentioned where overtaking became impossible took about 12 hours - driving time only. Thankfully we were several drivers so could swap and rest in turns. I didn't mean the storm to clear, I meant the ploughs to come and clear the roads. I realise I didn't write that clear enough. /clear Well, I think here we have the difference coming into play that your population density is lower than that in Europe, and we probably have smaller structures generally so it's more locally organised and that works better? That's good! But wait, that's Canada then and not the US. Gotta keep that apart I guess! Nothing new in that But yes, white-outs are not very amusing since you have to go so incredibly slow. Doing long treks with those in between don't sound fun. Thankfully freezing rain doesn't happen too often. We also have people who can't deal with the conditions, however mild they may be. Very true. Those need to be off the roads before anything happens. Indeed (the bulky clothes) Thanks for the drive example, I think I get the idea better now. Basically the problem returns to the few gigs you have so far with thus long treks, and indeed micro-climates in the game. It is the same here. I suppose the only difference is that we have a functioning train service that can back up most travels should the roads be crap - unless things happen that derail the train service (happens often enough ) Yes, it sucks wherever you are. Longer distance makes it more risky, and your microclimates you do get in the long travels even more so. I suppose it's a bit like crossing through the Alps and Italy in one trek, or something. Yeah I don't understand that bit either. I wonder what the explanation for that will be, if there will be any.
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Wow, so much Info. Thanks folks! Now how do I keep my answer as short as possible? (probably not at all, and make it two posts...!) I've seen winters start anywhere between September and December, or "not at all" for our liking. Varied all over the years. Also ending anything between Febuary and May. It's normal Sorry, a list of which state is coldest doesn't tell me much. Yeah Alaska should be cold since it's so far up north, but otherwise you're comparing things I don't know any of, so the comparison is lost on me Ice and freezing rain and the likes are shit, I won't even think of arguing with that. As for snow, I looked up on the web and it said your annual maximum is 432 cm in the S.highlands. Can't be that often that it snows up your car completely, unless someone's doing the maths wrong? Doesn't make it better when it does happen, but suggest it's not that often? Wtf is it with ploughs not going out during a storm... that's exactly what they're supposed to do FFS! Also private roads wut? They have to do maintenance then, no? I remember you writing about your area and house situation a while ago, it continues weirder and weirder somehow. All weather tyres are a ruddy joke Their rubber mixture is designed to kinda work in all weather, but that includes not being able to work as well as specific tyres for winter and summer in both extreme conditions, and they wear a lot faster usually since they're often out of their optimum range. Basically, winter tyres are designed with softer rubber afaik, below 7°C you're not supposed to be using summer tyres at all since their rubber is harder and gives you less grip. Also the profiles are different afaik. If you have a winter, you need specific winter tyres. I suppose in the UK you might get away with all weather tyres if temps stay mostly above 7°C and don't go too high in summer, and maybe there are other places with the same climate, but anywhere else...noap. Also using the winter tyres in summer ruins them quickly. No salt is obviously a crap thing. No split/grit either? Though that is useless when freezing over. Drivers sound crap. It's not like everybody would stop here, I suppose, but there luckily aren't that many that'll pass endangering people even more Though they exist, and are presumably the same asshats who don't know how to keep a reasonable distance, use their indicators, drive without endangering others... /littlerant I also did a little geography research. Basically the US is 1,6x the area of Europe (without Russia), so if the markets were the same (which they aren't, and Europe has so many little markets when it comes to gigs) you should have more gigs than we do if it were to be perfectly fair, which we obviously wouldn't like if it meant our having less But yes, that's the driving/distance argument set in a context. Why couldn't you get LA tickets? Wow. Your weather forecast does sound really awful! Ours is by no means perfect, but the models are often pretty good, even things like a wind forecast is correct way more often than not.
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I don't know. There are regions here where a quarter of a metre is called "a little snow", so people are well used to more. Obviously it's a regional thing, but you say it's the same for you. I've certainly climbed out of the window into the snow, rather than try and use the door in my time! (problem is, one has to stay at home to close the window again, or those going out have to take the shovel and work for a few hours...) Even if several feet come down, why aren't your snowploughs/system up to that challenge? We have a 24/7 on call duty (shift) system here so whenever snowfall starts, ploughs go out and about whatever the time of day and keep the major roads clear first, and then the others. The only time I have known that system to "fail" (it was temporary) was that there were ~20cm of snow on the roads very suddenly and more falling fast, so people just slowed down, kept distance (for a change!) and just trudged along in a row at a sensible pace. Why do you say it's impossible to drive on snow - it simply isn't! (ice/rain frozen over is obviously another matter) If people get to work, they've gone outside and probably driven. So if they managed that... they can manage more. I'm not saying anyone should risk their life for a concert. I'm saying snow is a manageable condition most of the time, especially if you have snow ploughs, and I fail to understand why it doesn't work where you are, since apart from severe storms that can happen in any wintery area, I don't see why it should appear so impossible. And even for storms, if the system is good, all they do is surprise people (who hopefully react well) and delay them for an hour or two until things are cleared. Don't people use winter tyres? (the comment about the many cars in the ditch provokes that question too much!) Now that makes more sense. Could you tell me more about the conditions that make it 'treacherous' to drive? What kind of conditions are we talking about, and what is/can be done to make them better? Bah, -20°C is manageable with the right clothes - just the option of front row without too much baggage is out of question then See, that makes sense. Just, why isn't there an effective system to monitor and look after these areas in place so people aren't left to their own devices? I can follow your reasoning ok. Maybe our weather is usually not quite as severe, and our forecasts good despite what you hear sometimes as complaints - though I can't imagine your forecast system is crap, so do you have loads of annoying little micro-climates going on there, or what? I do recall the corridors you have - 'tornado alley' - from school, so are there similar things for sucky winter conditions maybe? I'm just remembering some news reports we got here about your weather some winter. I remember thinking in jest "Oh, that's where all our snow and cold got lost." Unless the band stay at home during winter, someone's going to have the winter gigs. Unless they focused on the Southern hemisphere in Northern winter and vice versa
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You know, I didn't think they were talking about that handful of snowflakes :LOL: It did sound like it actually covered the ground... Don't you just use an orange ball instead? @halo eighteen: I understand your point, driving (or walking - been there ) in blizzards and ice storms is no fun thing to be doing, and financial risk is worth noting, obviously! I was just irked that some posts in this thread read as if the US were the only place in the world to have severe winter weather, and should thus be exempt from touring at that time. Whilst at the same time it's apparently expensive holiday season and travel is awfully expensive...err, so travel is absolutely possible, obviously! Or course people want things to not clash, but the world is a big place and they have to fit their schedules somehow. I won't even begin to count the amount of times I've been queuing around freezing point because we ALWAYS got winter tours (other band), having had to judge what to wear so as to lose no time to get to the front in handing my coat in - so obviously no classic coat! and stuff like that; travel in snow, ice, winter, anything. I've even done the driving home all night thing. I've driven though snow storms for hours and hours on end, where overtaking was impossible since the only "free" lane was the one everyone else was using... I understand the apprehension, but I don't see such impossibilities as they're made out to be, here.
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If travel is so impossible for you in the winter, how does your economy survive? Do you all live in your offices? I get your frustration about not having dates yet and I hope they're released soon, but this travel in winter issue you keep going round in circles in here is ott imo. Travelling in winter is harder all over the world. But that's why we have snow ploughs and good cars and tyres. And if we live in particularly snowy areas, we are perfectly capable of actually driving on the snow itself, if need be with skid chains. Patience and good material are all we need. And if the snow gets too high, the snow plough. No biggie. I know your country is large, but if you're driving a few hours anyway, it's not much of a deal whether it's one or two more because you have to go a little slower. tl;dr winter happens all over the world and people deal with it.
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My daughter Bellamy passed away because of stupid SMA
Mc Queen replied to iamjoethornton's topic in Other Muse Topics
I also remember the original thread, I'm so sorry she's no longer with you Eddie -
Nah, that reasoning is incorrect imo. Not to say all fans are perfect people, but since all that is required to get into the fan presale is a membership on muse.mu, I'm sure touts just do those few clicks to get in. Just means we need a better system.
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There must be a customer service contact form or email address for viagogo though, surely? If you write there, with the link of the tickets and maybe a screenshot and all the necessary info around it, they should at least reply, and depending on their policies (which I don't know at all) they might take the listing down. No idea, but that's the best option, at least to show it's not going to be that easy, for whoever is doing that.
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Is there a report function on that page? If you do it now, it's absolutely obvious they flunked them in the fan presale so viagogo might be able to do something against it, at least this once?