kueller Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hat Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 But his opinion isn't factually wrong... Not sure if trolling or just a silly goose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabriPav Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chagi Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 But his opinion isn't factually wrong... How much do you think before you post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 ...So you don't know what an opinion is? What you describe isn't your opinion. It's your belief. Your belief is that "most people like it just because it's Chris". I'm going to state this again: if it can be proven false or true, it isn't an opinion. It's either belief or fact. Cute, but this argument only started because you don't know what an opinion is. Wouldn't call that a petty detail myself. Now you're just arguing semantics. Give it a rest. It is a petty detail and you know it. Did I present it as a fact? Did I say "this is factually true"? No, I didn't. So therefore you can just assume that it's my opinion....sorry, my BELIEF, that I posted in the first place. Move along, wannabe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chagi Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Now you're just arguing semantics. Give it a rest. It is a petty detail and you know it. Did I present it as a fact? Did I say "this is factually true"? No, I didn't. So therefore you can just assume that it's my opinion....sorry, my BELIEF, that I posted in the first place. Move along, wannabe. I really feel like I'm being trolled, because nobody can be this ignorant, can they? It's not an opinion. Even if you had said "THIS IS MY OPINION", it wouldn't have been a fucking opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I really feel like I'm being trolled, because nobody can be this ignorant, can they? It's not an opinion. Even if you had said "THIS IS MY OPINION", it wouldn't have been a fucking opinion. But you said that in order to not be an opinion, you must be able to prove it right or wrong, yeah? So how are you going to prove anything when it's all based on other people's opinions in the first place? You can't prove that I'm right or wrong, so by your own logic, it is indeed an opinion. Or a belief. Call it whatever you want. You are boring to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 But you said that in order to not be an opinion, you must be able to prove it right or wrong, yeah? So how are you going to prove anything when it's all based on other people's opinions in the first place? You can't prove that I'm right or wrong, so by your own logic, it is indeed an opinion. Or a belief. Call it whatever you want. You are boring to me. Sorry love but you are wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee3Dee Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Sorry love but you are wrong How? If it can't be proven right or wrong, it's an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chagi Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 But you said that in order to not be an opinion, you must be able to prove it right or wrong, yeah? So how are you going to prove anything when it's all based on other people's opinions in the first place? You can't prove that I'm right or wrong, so by your own logic, it is indeed an opinion. Or a belief. Call it whatever you want. You are boring to me. ...What? I can say "you don't like Big Freeze" and be right, even though it's your opinion. That people have opinions is a given, and we can use those opinions in factual statements like I just did. That doesn't stop the opinions themselves from being completely subjective. Also opinion and belief are two different things, you seem to have missed that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 How? If it can't be proven right or wrong, it's an opinion. It's the principle of being proven right or wrong that counts, not the actual execution and how it would be done. An opinion can't be proven right or wrong, but the reasoning behind it can. That Chris is the reason people like Save Me IS something that in theory can be proven by simply getting to know the reason why they like it. In reality ofc people are 1. Not gonna entirely know why they like it. 2. Not gonna want to admit to liking something for a reason that would seem less valid. But in theory it is still very much a true/false situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksky Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 It's the principle of being proven right or wrong that counts, not the actual execution and how it would be done. An opinion can't be proven right or wrong, but the reasoning behind it can. That Chris is the reason people like Save Me IS something that in theory can be proven by simply getting to know the reason why they like it. In reality ofc people are 1. Not gonna entirely know why they like it. 2. Not gonna want to admit to liking something for a reason that would seem less valid. But in theory it is still very much a true/false situation. No it's not. Because people really don't know why they like songs or anything. Or I'm really totally stupid right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 No it's not. Because people really don't know why they like songs or anything. Or I'm really totally stupid right now. You're missing the point that I made clear like 3 times in my post. in THEORY, it's still a true/false situation, no matter if it's possible to prove or not. There IS a reason to why you like something, that you don't know why doesn't change that. The reason still exist even if you can't see, touch or understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksky Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 You're missing the point that I made clear like 3 times in my post. in THEORY, it's still a true/false situation, no matter if it's possible to prove or not. There IS a reason to why you like something, that you don't know why doesn't change that. The reason still exist even if you can't see, touch or understand it. well, in theory you can do a lot of funny things. that's what I learned in physics at least That's why I prefer to keep it real. And in reality the human perception is just too raw for things like definite knowledge of themselves. I see your point tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoberBaby Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Well.....erm...... I like Guiding Light, the album version. The live version sucks. I like NSC even though it's for Twilight.Sober is an amazing song, and Showbiz was in no way a Radiohead rip-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Wasn't Dee's opinion that people like Save Me just because it is Chris' song? I don't get how you can say that is wrong? As you pointed out it's an opinion so it can neither be factually correct/incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chagi Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Wasn't Dee's opinion that people like Save Me just because it is Chris' song? I don't get how you can say that is wrong? As you pointed out it's an opinion so it can neither be factually correct/incorrect. Nobody has said that it's wrong. We've been saying it's not an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Wasn't Dee's opinion that people like Save Me just because it is Chris' song? I don't get how you can say that is wrong? As you pointed out it's an opinion so it can neither be factually correct/incorrect. Way to not get this at all. We're saying that "People like Save Me because..." isn't an opinion, simply because it CAN in theory be proven right or wrong. It's a factual statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksky Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Wasn't Dee's opinion that people like Save Me just because it is Chris' song? I don't get how you can say that is wrong? As you pointed out it's an opinion so it can neither be factually correct/incorrect. No no, they tried to point out that it's NOT an opinion And another controversial opinion of mine is that Showbiz is actually pretty awesome (imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Nobody has said that it's wrong. We've been saying it's not an opinion. Way to not get this at all. We're saying that "People like Save Me because..." isn't an opinion, simply because it CAN in theory be proven right or wrong. It's a factual statement. How isn't it an opinion? "People like Save Me because of the vocals" would still be an opinion. I don't think we are going to be polling the people that like Save Me and asking them. I guess it can be a hypothesis but regardless it is still something he believes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chagi Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Oh god I can't take this argument a second time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksky Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 How isn't it an opinion? "People like Save Me because of the vocals" would still be an opinion. I don't think we are going to be polling the people that like Save Me and asking them. I guess it can be a hypothesis but regardless it is still something he believes. Haha, better read the last posts, or they'll bash you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaking Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Haha, better read the last posts, or they'll bash you Too many fuckers from Sweden in here anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 it is still something he believes. Belief=/=opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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