haze015
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Good job!
What trolls came up with reggae, shoegaze, techno, dubstep and experimental!?
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You do. That floor is terrible.
Yeah, gotta deal with it for less extortionate rents in London though!
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Given the current high alert with the potential for terrorism after the Paris shootings, I think you'd be insane to try sneaking into any music festival.
Its a Glasto tradition!
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Also, to the rest of you, I take it Glastonbury tickets are impossible to get at this point?
There are ways to get into Glasto, though might be tighter security these days. Not a wise idea unless you're a local though.
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I should probably admit I have a problem.
By which I mean, not enough, can still see floor!
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Maybe I did look too much into it.
It's just a pity to me they aren't releasing b-sides anymore and perhaps I'd just like to discover if there's more than meets the eye regarding their two latest releases.
Of course there's more!
Plenty more will be composed, some more will be recorded. If its not on whatever album, either they didn't think it was very good or it didn't fit in. At the very least for that particular release.
No one is going to hold back anything they think people will enjoy! Studio time, mixing and mastering costs money for a start. But the industry has changed with the internet, back when Muse were releasing their earliest albums, B-sides were important to get people to buy the singles rather than the album, these days, every track is a "single", even without an official release as such.
Bit of a shame, but if you enjoy that sort of thing, try getting into bands with more of an emphasis on vinyl releases/singles.
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Thanks, that's it!
Yes, here he doesn't confirm any b-side ready, but I remember I've read somewhere that thing about a pair of songs discarded from Drones.
Unfortunately I don't remember precisely where...
He's making the point that there's no such thing as "B-sides" any more. That's all, as physical releases for singles are less common, the point of B-sides is redundant these days.
A couple of songs being "discarded" can mean all sorts of things. But it doesn't mean literally deleted.
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I would be very disappointed if they'll confirm they've destroyed all of those probably existing tracks...
Why would they even do that!?
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Yes, I remember it. And, as I've said, they released the outtakes they actually had.
If anything, it's an infamous example of how some labels reject non-commercial sounding or experimentally daring albums.
They ended their deal with Polydor, as well as self-releasing that EP.
If a band is coming up with music outside of their remit and believe in that material, it can destroy deals, which is what happened with Klaxons and Muse with Maverick.
Considering Muse seem to have a decent relationship with Warner, you can't conclude that they are not releasing more challenging material just to please their label.
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I think a lower quality of those hypothetical hidden tracks shouldn't be taken for guaranteed.
Many times artists tend to leave more "experimental" and less mass-appealing songs out of albums. An example of this is Klaxons with the EP Landmarks Of Lunacy, which contained outtakes of Surfing The Void.
You do realise they were made to redo that album because the label rejected it? A similar thing happened with OOS in the USA, which meant it wasn't released there for years.
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A bit unrelated but I used to have problems with the volume suddenly getting a bit lower, but it happened quite slowly, so whenever I said "THERE, NOW" to someone, they didn't notice it. But I could swear that it was, even though the volume control stayed the same. So I would have the raise the volume, but then after a while the volume would go back up just as much as it had gone down earlier, and all of the sudden the music was too loud. Still didn't show up in the volume control. I was going mad
Then I replaced the audio drivers, and after that I never had any problems. Placebo? Or was I just imagining the whole issue? I of course believe that I fixed the problem, but I could never prove to anyone else that it was happening
A couple of weeks ago my headphones started putting out sound through one channel with the laptop headphone out, so quickly hooked up to my interface and the headphones were fine, so back to the headphone out on the laptop and everything was fine.
Then there was issue of incoming audio into DAWs being 20db lower than they should be. :'( It is like being gaslighted constantly with this stuff!
Could be worse though, could own vintage synthesisers
The FLAC encoded file contains more musical information than the 320, and unless it really were an upcode (which it isn't) then I wouldn't be hearing any differences at all in my monitors or my headphones.Didn't see this.
No it doesn't contain more "musical" information, just more data, some of which is debatably not perceivable due to particular psychoacoustic phenomenon, so lossy compression "removes" it. The more heavily, the more risk of audible artefacts.
Also I didn't say it was an upscale of a 320k mp3, the PCM data is available (A red book standard 16/44.1k CD, of which I own most on) and its easy to perform sample rate conversion with that and have something better than an mp3. You've claimed yourself you've not these albums in PCM format. You seem very confused about all these formats and also trying to claim things that I cannot replicate and not for lack of trying!
I'm comparing those clips to Spotify and the rips I have of the CDs, which were generally purchased when the albums were released using a MOTU Ultralite 3, KRK VXT6's and AKG K702's. Absolution here sounds no different to a rip of the CD with the incorrect track listing or Spotify streaming at 320k!
Any subtle change to any mix would still be noticeable, even with mp3. Any "colour" as a result of a format, digital or analogue, doesn't mean a different mix or master.
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It's amazing how some people believe that they're above placebo, which is exactly why placebo works.
My favourite forms of it are quite subtle. Like if you go to tune your guitar and pick the wrong string, as you expect to be tuning the one you're doing, you perceive the pitch as changing, but never right. Or having controls that do nothing for people who you don't want to change things, tell them its the control for whatever and they'll perceive it as doing that.
Its the whole basis of the audiophile industry.
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I know what a null hypothesis is, my career is based around it. You're asserting now that the files are the same yet in a previous post you admitted there are differences, but to you they're difficult to describe "properly". Which is it, then? I think I know damn well the difference between a placebo effect and not, if the mix is flat then it's flat, if it's vibrant then it's vibrant. The sample clips sound almost entirely different from the files that I have, and it's silly to backtrack on your initial claim that it's "difficult" to articulate the sonic differences and say instead that there are no differences. I don't have to articulate them, the differences speak for themselves.
The mixes sound the same to me.
And null testing in audio is not null hypothesis, its just a simple method of showing two bits of audio are the same by them cancelling each other out when put out of phase with each other.
There's a difference between articulating the artefacts of mp3 compression and claiming a different mix altogether.
Considering my dissertation was on the affects of compression and to what extent its legitimately perceivable, I think I'm in a far better position to talk about placebos regarding audio. Psychoacoustics is a wonderful area and also quite scary how easy it is to fool the ears.
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I mean you can tell me that all you'd like, I've heard the lossy files I have hundreds and hundreds of times with the same headphones, and these other clips sound far different so... reality is subjective etc etc you don't exist I don't exist
There's this wonderful thing called "null" testing. This isn't as subjective as you'd think.
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Regardless, those lossy clips still sound better than my 256/320 files.
Which is impressive as they sound exactly the same.
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I'm probably an idiot, I'm chalking up the differences I'm hearing to the fact I haven't heard anything pre-TR on FLAC before. I'd have to compare those FLACs to the supposed remasters to actually have a valid opinion on it but odds are as you've all said it's the same thing.
You don't "hear" FLAC, its just a way of losslessly compressing PCM audio. So a 16/44.1 FLAC is CD audio essentially.
It serves no purpose to remaster a number of albums just for a niche product when those original masters would exist in that format anyway in most cases. Might see it for a vinyl release though, which has specific requirements.
Plenty of older albums are remastered because of poorly done masters in the early days of digital, or just trying to make them louder, a post-2000 set of albums though? A bit pointless really.
Listening in PCM won't create the illusion of a different mix, at least from 128k upwards mp3s, the differences are difficult to describe accurately. Plus those clips would be a lossy format of some kind, no one is streaming 24/96 right now! Let alone clips!
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(I know Matt's got a dodgy foot and that, but...)
I played a gig on fucking crutches! And I hate playing them
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THESE ARE SOMEHOW THE SAME GUYS WHO DID DARKSHINES, HOW DOES THAT EVEN HAPPEN
Its so odd meeting younger people, as a lot have no idea about Muse doing stuff like that. Just this cheesy dated rock band to them.
Its even weirder when they're like emo kids (or at least were), happy to rave about Relationship Of Command or whatever iconic early 00's albums and have never OOSed.
LIKE WHAT THE SHIT GEMSY
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Do you guys actually have FLAC files of the original songs from every album? I'd have a better reference point naturally if I had those, but I don't so I'm basing off of the jump from 320 to FLAC (even if it is an upscale). What I did notice from the get-go was that Drones though was exactly the same.
Just get the CDs, must be enough of them going cheap these days.
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All I know is that the overall postproduction job sounded far better with those tracks, it's possible sure that they upped the sample rate but certain songs sounded like they had entirely different mixes.
Which songs? All sound the same to me out of what I've checked out. A different mix would even be noticeable on a low quality stream.
But its always funny when mixing for others how people react differently to things that haven't been changed.
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So how about that challenge?
Not working.
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Why would they be "unofficial" when its almost certain they were mastered at those sample rates to start with, if not higher. Its more likely these are just what was released at that sample rate.
If its "unofficial", then it'll be someone trying to upscale it, which would make your comments regarding your perceived improvements quite hilarious.
Re: Headphones
Its not just the headphones, the quality of the DAC is important, plus amplification. The former is often overlooked, yet surprisingly significant.
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Are they remastered, though?
No.
Total bollocksFar from it.
According to the loudness war.com these new remasters aren't exactly the best done, but i still think is an huge improvementhttp://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=muse
I'm still waiting for The Resistance and an official press release.
And what the holy shit is this website!?
All you need are good headphones, you can hear the differenceNo.
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Nah, more of a case of how both are associated with things that have nothing to do with them, techno has the same issue actually, or at least went through the same.