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I reckon a lot of Radiohead's best works are overshadowed by their extreme stylistic shift on Kid A. Since then they've been more restrained, electro-tinged rock rather than flat out electronica. Hell, AMSP is pretty close to early Radiohead in its instrumentation.
Kid A is hardly flat out electronica beyond a few tracks. The shift was not to hide it like they did on OK Computer, which is 'electro-tinged rock'. Which would sound a million miles away from Radiohead.
Airbag features chopped up drums and bass, exactly the same as Hip Hop, Breakbeat, D&B etc production, yet stick a distorted guitar riff over the top and somehow its still 'acceptable' as rock music. Climbing Up The Walls especially wouldn't sound anything like it does without all the electronica, could so easily fit onto Kid A.
This particularly frustrated Yorke, especially with bands namedropping them as an influence, who were all fairly tame, ordinary rock music, which really wasn't what Radiohead were trying to do with OK Computer. So the only reasonable response was to make an album where it couldn't be ignored.
The actual major shift on Kid A was to incorporate Jazz, this aspect has largely disappeared on recent albums. Although often ignored as people still freak out about synthesisers and electronic manipulation (Which ironically, everyone is up to. The better a record sounds, the more fake it is)
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Kid A starts with a synth keyboard line, surely that's weird electronic shit.
Amnesiac opens with some electronic drum beats
In Rainbows' opening is in 5/4! Again, weird pretentious stuff, different for the sake of it.
That's why you should stick to Muse, its not like they've ever used synths, electronic percussion or anything outside of 4/4. Noap.
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Who'd have thought a British rock band, influenced by Jazz, psychedelia, electronic music, music concrete, experimental music etc, mashing up personal and political themes to produce concept albums would still be a bit difficult for people in 2016 that they'd right it off as "weird electronic shit"?
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Which of us is taking things too seriously here?
Well, if you actually think Kid A is just Radiohead singing about depression over random electronic music...
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Guys it was a MS Paint comic.
I know and a funny one at that!
Just think TheHappySpaceman might be taking it more seriously than they really need to.
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It's electronic music, and in my opinion, it's weird. So I reserve the right to call it weird electronic stuff.
Its no more electronic than OK Computer.
And seriously, not 'weird' in the slightest (Only if your knowledge of music is solely based on chart stuff
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I'm not a huge Radiohead fan, though I do like some of their stuff, but I'm more of a fan of the more rock side of their music than the weird electronic stuff they did later on, and in my opinion, they haven't made anything as great as OK Computer.
Kid A is better. Stop saying its weird electronic stuff, as its really not anywhere close and its 15 years later!
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Not strictly true. The majority of commercial graphic eq pedals use a series of bandpass filters, with fixed centre frequencies and resonance. They are terrible in terms of phase shift where the frequency bands overlap. With a guitar it's not that notocable but for high end audio it's unacceptable. That's why they're uncommon in modern studios, usually reserved for specialist applications like kick drum eq.
Whilst true, how an EQ uses bandpass filters is different to a bandpass filter. Unless able to mute all except one on a graphic EQ pedal it won't achieve the same as a bandpass wah/filter, nor is there control over the frequencies.
Although it is possible to get something close with one, it certainly shouldn't be chosen over a wah/auto-wah/filter unless its all that is available.
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An auto wah will most likely NOT do that. You're just going to want either a regular wah pedal, or a nice eq pedal that you can use as a bandpass filter. Wah pedals are just movable bandpass filters anyway. That sound comes from a huge boost in a specific frequency. Get a wah pedal, turn it on, leave it in one position. Also known as a cocked wah sound.
Very uncommon for EQ pedals to be capable of bandpass filtering, its rare enough outside of EQ plugins.
But yeah, wah or filter pedals and auto-wahs are also capable of fixed wah sounds and a bit more ideal for it than normal wah pedals.
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Yeah, I suppose I prefer the sound when I'm using a mic as opposed to a di, but I guess I can eq it to make it sound fuller.
I just mean don't look at those specific microphones. Ones that are popular for guitar amps would be better for capturing the amp sound, then blend the DI and process that to fill out the sound if its lacking anywhere.
And if you don't already have one, find a good Pultec EQ emulation
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Ta
Already do. Prostate is fine thanks
If you're DI'ing, then probably not much point going for a kick mic really. Unless you're doing Dub of course.
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For me the music is paramount. I am interested in the backstory or the scene to an extent but it does not take precedent over the actual sound. When I compare two pieces of music, I'm comparing the music only, unless stated otherwise.
That's obvious. Just making the point that there's often more to genres than just the sound. But it should never be more important than the music itself.
With this area of music, you could listen to tracks produced in 1988 in Chicago and Detroit and in all honesty, sound very similar, but get the genre wrong and all hell breaks lose!
And it is all down to that other side, which isn't always obvious just from the sound.Anyway, to get back on track, Muse are at their least interesting when their songs are easily identifiable as a particular genre, they are at their best when they mix things up within the songs and actually been quite influential through that.
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Nope, it is incomprehensibly dull, tedious and inane.
Yup.
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Whilst it may seem pointless as its just electronic music to dance or get messed up to, genres in dance music can mean far more than just a few musical aspects and sounds, although this is true in general. There's history, culture, politics involved, not just in general, but also within scenes (Techno, as defined by Juan Atkins, was a reaction to House/NY Garage music for example).
Plus each genre is meant to create a specific atmosphere and often within a particular environment, like typically meant to be played on a large sound system and then there's the size and type of venue - "Big Room" or there is The KLF's pisstake "Stadium House" for The White Room.
So whilst it may not seem controversial to compare two songs, it can easily be, as we're discussing a genre (Dance music in general) that its roots in LGBT+, POC and working class culture, that has a strong DIY and counter-culture ethic ingrained into it.
But it has entered the mainstream and its complicated to say the least. Techno did become a toxic word in the early 90's, at least in the UK, as what went into the mainstream under that label had little to do with the underground sound - Seriously check out Juan Atkins, was a huge influence on Aphex Twin for example. Trance went through the same. House has always celebrated pop, so comes in and out of mainstream attention.
House and Garage refer to specific clubs, although it should be pointed out that Garage, the stuff that came out of The Garage in New York and I think is similar to early House (I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of House, so hardly the most knowledgable) is different to the 90's British sound/scene which Dubstep is based on. The British obsession with breaks and non-straight beats was actually partly a reaction to the Tories pushing through a law banning repetitive beats! That actually happened.
All this can easily be more interesting than the music actually.
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No idea. Budding hobbyist? (£100?)
Ok. If you can budget for a Electro-Voice RE20, that'd be perfect. There is the cheaper RE-320, but don't know enough about it, but both are well beyond £100.
Otherwise popular dynamic kick and guitar amp microphones are within your budget, or can be found easily second hand for that money. Kick mics do tend to have a smile-esque curve to them, so are far from flat. Trusty old SM57s are actually flatter in response in comparison, but can only use them rammed up against the grille for bass amps due to its low-end roll off.
Worth a read if you haven't come across it already: https://web.archive.org/web/20150608005446/http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar99/articles/recordingbass.htm
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Hello you.
Do any of you have a recommendation for a mic to record from a bass amp?
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Budget?
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The similarity with Dupstep and Isolated system is pretty much only the bass element of the song, and that's where it ends, I'm not saying it's the same genre or anything. I said it was reminiscent to artists like Distance because of this bass element alone, I didn't mean it was similar in any other aspect.
I used Distance because it's the only traditional Dupstep artist I know, I'm not even that into the genre, especially not the mainstream strain of Brostep. If you think my limited knowledge on the genre should dictate whether or not I can talk about it and compare it to other stuff, then just lol.
And that's a pretty interesting backstory, but I'll stick by using the term Brostep, because its a handy way of determining stylistic differences. It's political "controversy" doesn't seam anywhere near significant enough to stop using it.
Then why not say that then? Then we could mention how wobble bass is far from exclusive to Dubstep and used in pretty much all dance genres, although the rewriting of history that occurred by others when Dubstep took off to turn Flat-Beat into proto-Dubstep was fucking hilarious.
I didn't say you couldn't talk about the genre, but its pretty arrogant to think you can say what is and what isn't to people who've been listening to it for around 10 years. If you want to know more about it, then check out the Dubstep Allstars mix series (The first one -
), as its best listened to in that context rather than individual producers as its about the atmosphere it creates and you'd see how different DJs emphasise different aspects, like Hatcha uses a lot of wobbly bass, Kode9 who did the third one and if I remember correctly, didn't feature much at all. There is a Distance one, with more of an industrial feel and just really dark.And the socio-political aspect is why that stuff should be referred to as "Brostep". Plus really its just 80's hair metal made with NI Massive.
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We'll agree to disagree.
No, as the misrepresentation of it played a significant role in its appropriation and the subsequent whitewashing and hyped-up masculinity that led to what we refer to as "Brostep".
This left an entire scene having to disassociate themselves from something they created because it had become toxic in order to easily sell it to a particular demographic.
But lets ignore all of that because you think there's a passing similarity with Distance, who's output varies enough that its difficult to tell what you're actually claiming it to sound like.
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Sure, "Brostep" sounds a little dumb, but I think the distinction between an artist like Distance and one like Skrillex is important to make.
And to bring the topic back to Muse. I'd say Isolated System reminds me more of Distance, and Unsustainable sounds more like Skrillex.
Isolated System sounds nothing like Distance or Dubstep. Couldn't be any further away from it if it tried. If you want to define it as a genre, probably closest to Post-Rock, with the slowed down Motorik beat, use of strings and electronics, being a somewhat ambient track, use of repetition etc.
"Brostep" isn't just about making that distinction, its also criticising it for what is seen as its target demographic and how it effectively 'whitewashed' a genre that came from multiculturalism in Southern England. Its an insult.
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And then there's 'musestep'
No. Just no.
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'Brostep'.
Hurr
.It was funnier when 'purists' would refer to it as mid-range cack. But Brostep is still subtly derogatory.
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Yes, in Unsustainable. Not Isolated System.
Ah this is confusing. (I must admit I've only ever listened to the album through once)
And wait, what? How would anyone think Isolated System has anything to do with Dubstep!?
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We're talking specifically about Isolated System though, which only connection to brostep is that it has bass.
The connection is they were trying to replicate Brostep 'bass' with guitars, that's all. The idea they are Brostep or Dubstep is as daft as saying RATM is Hip Hop because Morello created sounds similar to scratching with a guitar. But in either case it was certainly an influence.
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It reminds me of traditional dubstep more than brostep.
Weak trolling.
I think Muse did mention being inspired by Skrillex, who is the Brostep posterboy after all.
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As a whole, pretty much all of them since BH&R.
There are still good songs on all of them, but such a random assortment of music that its difficult to listen to them as a complete piece of work. Feels more like a singles compilation thrown together with zero cohesion beyond Matt's voice. So they've done bad albums, even if the songs themselves haven't been all bad.
OOS I could stick on and easily listen to all the way through, even if I just wanted to hear one track (Absolution pushes it about as far as is possible, so not sure it entirely works). BH&R and later, literally no desire to put them on and listen all the way through.